09-06-2015, 07:11 AM
(09-05-2015, 11:58 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: You would be correct. However, I was 32 with a family on 911. I thought seriously of enlisting, that very day.
I was 34 with a family. What's your point? You were too busy taking care of your own interests to serve your country? Yeah, I got that. That's one of the problems I have with most conservatives like yourself. You're good at bitching, but you don't actually do anything.
However, in 2001, I had been in the Army ten years because it didn't take a national tragedy for me to even consider, but ultimately reject, serving my country.
Quote:Just because I didn't go over and serve, does not mean that I don't have the utmost respect for those who have. What I have a problem with, is the way the government sent all of our forces over there, but never let them finish the task, particularly our current regime. What has Obama's withdrawl of US forces led to? The rise of ISIS, who executes anyone and everyone that does not conform to their ideals. So, when someone here in the USA, wants to cry about death penalty here in this Nation, I really think that they don't know how good they actually have it.
This is another problem I have with conservatives like yourself. You're completely full of shit. The Bush administration fabricated the war with Iraq over a god damn lie. And how many American lives have been lost because of it? One is too damn many. It took less than 18 days after the initial invasion for them to tell us we could put away our NBC equipment because it wasn't needed. In other words, the reason we invaded was no longer a concern in less than three weeks. Obama's withdrawal? Are you shitting me? The withdrawal was already negotiated by the Bush administration. If people give credit to Obama, conservatives are quick to point out Bush negotiated the withdrawal. If something goes wrong, conservatives blame Obama for the withdrawal. It's comical. There wasn't any Al-Qaeda in Iraq until after we invaded. We created the Al-Qaeda problem in Iraq. Groups like ISIS are going to happen regardless of who is president. It is the nature of that region. Our government propped up Saddam to begin with and we created a power vacuum when we destroyed the regime we helped create. Power vacuums need to be filled. You're probably one of the conservatives that ***** about Obama using drones and our military involvement in Syria. Do you remember McChrystal? Do you know what he got to finish the task in Afghanistan? Exactly what he requested. And define what our task is? That's part of the problem. Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld didn't have any sort of strategic plan once we removed Saddam. I was there. I know. Complete leadership failure on their part. You can't make an omelet without breaking a few eggs right? Well, once the eggs are broken you can't get them back in their shells, either.
I get the OP's intent. I'll give you an analogy based upon another problem the Bush administration created. Every terrorist captured and detained at Guantanamo has been denied due process. (Even though the military lawyers have sued for their right to due process.) Many have been held indefinitely without charges because the Bush administration declared they weren't legal combatants and thus weren't entitled to protection under the conventions that govern modern warfare. There is little to no chance our service members will be treated IAW these conventions if captured, but if we don't follow our own damn rules and afford that treatment to their prisoners then we have effectively eliminated that "little" chance our service members will be treated how we expect them to be treated. In otherwords, two wrongs don't make a right.
What ISIS does doesn't have two shits to do with capital punishment in America. The morality of capital punishment in America is independent of ISIS. We decide what is right and wrong based upon our morals, not based upon what ISIS does.
I once had to go 4 months without a shower. You don't need to tell me American citizens don't know how good they have it because you're one of those people.
