Pro-gun rocker Ted Nugent bans guns from Virginia concert

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(07-23-2018, 11:00 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: I'm pleased to hear that, especially as you have no real choice in this matter.  If you lived in the US you'd have the exact same option you're "choosing" to exercise right now.

that's clever put.

Just for the record, no direct knowledge of French law, but it's not impossible at all for civilians to own guns here. It just is a way longer process. But Austria recently even had a highly relevant presidential candidate who carried a Glock around.

(07-23-2018, 11:00 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: I love that I have the option to own one.  There is a small amount of piece of mind that comes in knowing you have the ability to defend yourself if someone tries to victimize you.  A bit like having earthquake insurance that you hope you'll never have to use.

I can see the logic in that, it must be noted though that this freedom does come with a downside. That's not a spin, that's just as true as it is with traffic.
On the other hand, understand the Europeans, we grew up with the knowledge that a) a gun is deadly and meant to be and and b) a society is safer if common people don't have those deadly things. And from everything we see and witness (and have statistics on), this seems to be the correct take. Our downside of course being taking a calculated risk to fall victim. Calculated as in very small chance.

In my case, the calculation is helped that I'm qute clumsy at times and probably would hurt myself or shoot an innocent, were I ever to defend myself with a gun in an obvious high-stress situation. I'd rather be defenseless than risking that. Which is a bit of the point, if at least people who have guns can show that they're properly trained, like when they are using their freedom to drive a car, then we could see some reason in all that. But without these things in place, with basically everyone being able to buy self-defense weapons of all sorts and calibers, Europeans can't help but think you're taking a crazy road here. And paying a yearly toll of human life for it.

Which takes nothing away from your argument, and I additionally know there's an amendment in place. One I find an outdated absurdity, like laws from around 1800 often are, but that doesn't mean I could really argue with an amendment.