Koch Report Backfires

[Belsnickel]

(07-31-2018, 07:58 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Cannot sat I'm a fan of "oh well" as why I should pay more for others to pay less, but that's a fundamental difference in philosophies. I'm more of a reap what you sow type. 

I'm more of a "the role of the government is to promote the general welfare of the citizenry, per the Constitution, and it is patriotic duty to pay to help those less fortunate in this country." So yeah, just a difference in philosophies.

(07-31-2018, 07:58 PM)bfine32 Wrote: The rest pretty much summarizes what I have asserted, Folks talk single payer, but that's not really what they are advocating. They are advocating the responsible take care of the irresponsible.

Not really. But I know there it is fruitless to argue this point with you.

(07-31-2018, 07:58 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I'll have to take you at your word that you know more about the pitfalls of the Canadian healthcare than those experiencing it; but you solution of throw more money at it is in keeping with the mentality.

Plenty of people don't know anything about what they are experiencing. It happens all of the time. As for the money aspect, it isn't just that. It also involves resource allocation and efficiency issues. Those are administrative problems.

(07-31-2018, 07:58 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I suppose your answer of "no one" when I asked who decides who you get to see made me point to the opposite of what you stated; as I was assuming the answer would be the individual. But that would lead the more skilled physicians to be overbooked and who gets to decide whom they see and in what order?

When I said "no one," it was implied that it was the individual. And it would be up to the service providers, just as it is now. Except it would be more universal because there would be a single insurer instead of a bunch, but only a couple work with the provider. You would have more freedom of choice than you do now.

(07-31-2018, 07:58 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Folks say other countries do it; why don't we. It's because we are not them. I don't think any other nation in the history of civilization has went from nothing to the world's global power in just over 2 centuries as we have. And it's most likely because we don't model ourselves off others. 

Yes we do. Sure, we change some things to make it uniquely American, but we absolutely model ourselves off of others.

(07-31-2018, 07:58 PM)bfine32 Wrote: As I understand it. No one in this country is denied emergency care and those that want additional coverage can pay for it or earn it. 

People absolutely do get denied emergency care. I know of hospitals that will move the goalposts on what is an emergency based upon what their perception is of the patient's ability to pay. They also get denied non-emergent but absolutely necessary care on a regular basis. Even if they do get the care, it can bankrupt them.