Koch Report Backfires

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(07-31-2018, 08:18 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: I'm more of a "the role of the government is to promote the general welfare of the citizenry, per the Constitution, and it is patriotic duty to pay to help those less fortunate in this country." So yeah, just a difference in philosophies.


Not really. But I know there it is fruitless to argue this point with you.


Plenty of people don't know anything about what they are experiencing. It happens all of the time. As for the money aspect, it isn't just that. It also involves resource allocation and efficiency issues. Those are administrative problems.


When I said "no one," it was implied that it was the individual. And it would be up to the service providers, just as it is now. Except it would be more universal because there would be a single insurer instead of a bunch, but only a couple work with the provider. You would have more freedom of choice than you do now.


Yes we do. Sure, we change some things to make it uniquely American, but we absolutely model ourselves off of others.


People absolutely do get denied emergency care. I know of hospitals that will move the goalposts on what is an emergency based upon what their perception is of the patient's ability to pay. They also get denied non-emergent but absolutely necessary care on a regular basis. Even if they do get the care, it can bankrupt them.

Yeah, you have me confused with someone that suggests we shouldn't pay taxes. Not sure if you did that out of ignorance or on purpose. However, there have been numerous debates over exactly what general welfare encompasses. Does general welfare mean you get for free everything I work for? So yeah, it's a philosophical difference.

Of course it is fruitless to agree the point, because it's exactly what you are saying and your reasoning is "oh well"

You do realize "resources" are money

Apologies for not knowing your implication

And the uniquely American part is where we do not model. We've done pretty good.

The EMTLA disagrees with your assertion here. If you've got issues with what hospitals consider required care; that's a totally different issue.