Trump Lovers backing off

[Dill]

(09-19-2018, 04:06 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: Really?

No credible source, like the CIA or FBI, has discovered Republicans were colluding with Russia.  That "discovery" is pretty much restricted to MSM commentators and the easily disinformed Democrat base. 

Neither side was "colluding" with Russia.
If Russia did want Trump elected, then they would never have released that "Dossier" to Steele, that would've been the death penalty to who ever did. They knew what the puppet would do, and he played their game like they wanted him to. Same with many of the other players that have been hung out. Phone call here, phone call there to give the appearance.

The Russians played both sides and want us divided, they have succeeded and to many of you are stuck blaming the "other" side for it, because your candidate lost that couldn't apparently beat the worst candidate that's ever run for POTUS.

I like Trump, some things he does? He's on his own, but he's still allowed to have his own personal opinion on things, right or wrong it's his right, just as it is mine to back it or ignore it. 

Posters like yourself are the ones that hope saying it enough times will make it true, but because the MSM has been so openly honest in all things regarding Trump, they are now like the little boy that cried Wolf. No one is listening now even if it's true.

I'll be the first to admit when I see something posted in MSM about Trump that is totally out there, I laugh and don't even think about it again.

"Russia" did not release a dossier to Steele.  And Russia did not hack the RNC's server, or if they did they chose not to release its contents. And their disinformation campaign was intended, certainly, to divide us, but it was largely fake news about Hillary targeting the peculiarly susceptible Trump base.  The Russians saw back then that it was clearly to their advantage to back an inexperienced, undisciplined and manipulable pro-Russian candidate who already wanted to be Putin's new BFF.  Their bet has paid off, as Trump foreign policy actions favor Russia over our allies and his domestic actions raise the spectre of impeachment. This is not "playing both sides."  It is playing to a gullible base.  Successfully.

If you want to be legally precise, there is no investigation into "collusion" from either side.

Tipped off by the unprecedented number of contacts between members of the Trump campaign (not the Hillary campaign) and Russian spies and diplomats, amidst Russian efforts to subvert the US election in favor of Trump, the FBI opened an investigation into whether the campaign or members thereof were working with Russians, not only to subvert the election, but also to prepare special consideration for Russia, like easing sanctions--thus subverting current policy of Congress and then sitting president Obama.

Credible sources like the FBI and CIA discovered that Trump operatives like Carter Page were talking to Russian spies, and Mike Flynn was talking to the Russians about easing sanctions--though he denied it.  Trump jr. took a meeting at Trump Tower from Russians with Kremlin ties (one a counterintel specialist) purporting to have dirt on Hillary; what happened at that meeting is still under investigation.
 
You suggest the fact of these connections and meetings, and the resultant investigation, is some how dependent upon whether I post about them, not the FBIs findings?  Because that seems to me exactly the status of your claim Dems are the ones who really colluded. There is no evidence of meetings with spies or diplomats on the part of her campaign; hence no investigation, e.g., into a Chelsea meeting with Kremlin operatives etc. The Australian government did not alert the FBI that a Hillary campaigner had dirt on Donald. Dem collusion is only sustained by Fox news and blog posts.

Sure, Trump has a right to his personal opinion that Russia was not behind the DNC hacking or the hacking of state voter registration data bases or our power grid, and he has a right to believe Putin over our intel agencies. But the sum total of those "rights" is an incompetent president who cannot orchestrate a response to this present danger to national security.  Your vote put him there and. ignoring this behavior, your support keeps the danger in place.

It is a standard Fox/right tactic first to vehemently deny a charge and then to claim the other side really does it. So in response to an actual FBI investigation into contacts between the Trump campaign and Russian operatives which actually occurred, we get first vehement denials ("there was no collusion--so I fired Comey") and then, finally, a counter narrative about the "real" collusion story, the Dems and Russia. The Dems set up Trump jr. Used the FBI to spy on Trump. Which of course no one is investigating because the 'deep state' won't go there.

What is a Trump supporter's definition of "totally out there"??