10-25-2018, 01:32 PM
(10-25-2018, 04:55 AM)BengalYankee Wrote: Not getting snotty. We are friends going way back. We are having a healthy debate among Bengal fans, that is what this website is for right?
We are just speaking two different languages. You say Marvin Lewis is 0-7 in the playoffs, I say we don't even have 7 playoff appearances without Marvin Lewis. I say we are 0-7 with Mike Brown. Facts say we are well, well under .500 with Mike Brown and we are over .500 with Marvin Lewis. AP says Marvin Lewis 2009 coach of the year. Many polls say Mike Brown among worst owner in Sports.
I am well aware of Tom Coughlin being a New Yorker. I know the Giants organization better then you and their culture for their players/coaches/organization is far, far, far better then the Bengals. What you don't take into consideration are the players/coaches feel while they come to work Monday-Saturday. Tom Coughlin was a good tough coach, but he would not have retained talent here, nor would he have changed the culture here. Marvin had more respect in the league in 2003 so when Marvin changed the culture, Tom would have been like Shula, Coslett, Dick Lebeau, etc a lackey just happy to have a job.
I don't care if you had Lombardi or Belicheat[see cleveland browns as coach] in TODAY'S NFL you won't be able to keep quality players if you are cheap. BB has a fine organization and their owner spares no expense in keeping his players comfortable.
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/kicker-explains-why-everyone-on-the-patriots-loves-owner-robert-kraft/
The Bengal players don't love Mike Brown, if not for Marvin Lewis they would abandon ship as soon as their contract expired.
It's the Culture, Culture, Culture!!!!!!
What I've driven at - in a roundabout way - is this: how are you so sure Mike has 0 playoff appearances without Marv? Like I said, the other candidate was Tom "friggin" Coughlin. He of 2 Super Bowls. We were also looking at Denny Green, a guy with gobs of success in Minny. Sure, Denny didn't work out in Arizona, but look who his QB's were. They certainly weren't Jon Kitna and Carson Palmer.
Marvin walked into (by FAR) the best Bengals team (talent-wise) of the Mike Brown era. Chad Johnson was already becoming a star. We also had Corey Dillon, Rudi Johnson, Willie Anderson, Levi Jones, Rich Braham, Justin Smith, TJ Houshmandzadeh, Peter Warrick, Brian Simmons, and more. We were set up with the rights to take consensus #1 pick Carson Palmer, who was a can't miss franchise QB.
Basically, the core of what people have dubbed "reboot 1.0" was already there, thanks to Duke Tobin...the guy who hasn't been getting enough credit for the turnaround.
(10-25-2018, 11:35 AM)BengalYankee Wrote: You will always find exceptions. Of course Pacman liked Mike Brown, I bet Chris Henry liked him as well. But I can find players who couldn't wait to leave the Bengals[Corey Dillon] or stated during the draft for the Bengals not to draft them. [Marshall Faulk].
If it starts at the top then stay there, why go down to Lewis? Why don't you go to the QB with horrendous stats in his 4 playoff appearances.
1 TD, 6 INT, 1 Fumble. You blame that on Marvin???
Yes. Just as I blame 3 TDs, 4 INT, 3 fumbles, 65.0 rating on Marv as well. And how we're giving up over 150 rush yards per game. Or how we're giving up well over a 100 passer rating to opposing QB's. Or how we haven't forced enough turnovers, with like 5 sacks total in 7 games.
It's the schemes. Good playoff coaches seem to have no problem solving ours. They also know how to make our defense look like a division 3 high school squad.
The training, nutrition, medicine, fitness, playbooks and rules evolve. The athlete does not.
