We don't need no stinking help.

[Catmandude123]

(11-09-2018, 04:20 PM)fredtoast Wrote: No one is happy "just not to beat the Browns".

All I am saying is that it is ridiculous to call a team that wins more games and goes to the playoffs more often than most other teams in the league an "embarrassment".  

Maybe this will help prove my point.  If you think the Bengal are an embarrassment then tell me how many other teams in the NFL are also embarrassments.

How many of those teams have gone 27 years without winning a playoff game? 15 of those years with the same head coach.