Guys Remember This Moment

[Lucidus]

(12-07-2018, 07:23 PM)fredtoast Wrote: I am glad you are quitting because it is a waste of my time to try and have a debate with someone who just keeps making stuff up an moving the goalposts.

The OP claims that it is a bad to feel optimistic about the Bengals next year.  Godfather urges every one to cling to the pain, disgust, and bad feelings.  IN fact he says that if you feel optimistic you will be "in traction" if the Bengals fail next year.  That is total BS.

Then you come long and start talking about how it is possible to feel happy sometimes and bad other times but refusing to acknowledge that clinging to pain and bad feelings makes a person more sad than happy.

My premises are solid and my conclusions are sound.  You are not even discussing what the OP aid.  Instead you are spinning and making vague comments with no real basis in what we are talking about.  The fact that it is possible to feel bad sometimes and happy other times has nothing to do with the fact that people who work hard to preserve bad feelings are making themselves feel bad instead of good.

People who cling to and nurture feelings of "pain and disgust" are not as happy as people with positive optimistic outlooks unless they enjoy self pity and victimhood.  And being pessimistic does not ease the pain of failure because the pessimistic people here are admitting that they feel "bad", "disgusted" and "in pain" right now.  So there is no benefit to nurturing bad feelings.  All it does is make you feel bad.

I've honestly and with the best of intentions, tried to help you with tips and constructive criticism that I had hoped would help you recognize the flaws and failings of your argumentation style. Either you are not comprehending -- or you are refusing to acknowledge the issue -- or you're being purposefully obtuse and pretending. There are other options of course, but in the spirit of civil discourse, I won't expand. 

I will just bid you a good evening sir.