Keith Ellison

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(12-14-2018, 04:37 PM)fredtoast Wrote: We both agree a "presumption of innocence" is a proper burden placed on the government when attempting to convict a person of a crime and take away his liberty.

In most other situations it is kind of silly.  In fact criminal courts that recognize a presumption of innocence will also issue ex parte orders of protection based on nothing but allegations that are binding against the accused until the matter comes before a judge.  

Yep, I'm just willing to extend it in my day to day life.

It's OK Fred, we know which one of the accusers you, as the beacon of neutrality, view as the bigger liar.