Pro-Choice People: Babies Feel Excruciating Pain During Abortions

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(12-21-2018, 02:53 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: The article was done, because the Liberals keep changing the line in the sand.

if people wish to use science as their defining definition, then you lose at the moment of conception. Just because that little clump of cells isn't in the form we are used to seeing, does not mean it is not alive by it's own right. It is still in it's simplest form of the human cycle. There is no skipping any stage in the cycle in order to get to the next stage. From the simple sperm fertilizing the egg to the Elderly adult stage where it dies. All stages are part of all human beings and the cycle of life.

No, the article was written to make an emotional argument in favor of banning abortion. Why do you think the anti-abortion crowd chose pain sensation as their latest line in the sand? It's to make an argument based on an appeal to emotions.

(12-21-2018, 06:51 PM)fredtoast Wrote: I 100% agree with the science. Life begins at conception. But legal individual rights do not attach until the fetus can exist as an individual seperate from the mother. The mother is an individual with rights over her own body. The fetus is not.

When the fetus can be removed at conception and survive as an individual then the law should change. Until then it has no individual rights.

And then there is this, which is exactly right. My pro-choice position is entirely founded on rights and has nothing to do with science. In order to be a citizen, according to the Constitution, one must be born. Right now, by law, the unborn are not legal persons that have rights. The mothers, however, are persons and so their liberty cannot be infringed upon without due process of the law.