Pro-Choice People: Babies Feel Excruciating Pain During Abortions

[Mike M (the other one)]

(12-21-2018, 10:17 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: No, the article was written to make an emotional argument in favor of banning abortion. Why do you think the anti-abortion crowd chose pain sensation as their latest line in the sand? It's to make an argument based on an appeal to emotions.

And then there is this, which is exactly right. My pro-choice position is entirely founded on rights and has nothing to do with science. In order to be a citizen, according to the Constitution, one must be born. Right now, by law, the unborn are not legal persons that have rights. The mothers, however, are persons and so their liberty cannot be infringed upon without due process of the law.

And why was it written like this? Maybe a counter argument to the whole de-humanizing it by calling it nothing but a clump of cells that does not feel pain or have a soul or a brain etc?
So have to fight fire with fire.

(12-22-2018, 03:29 AM)fredtoast Wrote: A man does not have "off spring" until tje child is born.

And giving a man the power to force a woman to carry a child and give birth is absolutely giving him control over her body. 

To me, there has to be a way to find middle ground. Giving the woman absolute control is not what equality is about. if you want equality, then you have to willing to give equality as well. I understand it's her body, but it takes 2 to make one and to eliminate one persons rights is not what equality is about.

Why should a woman's rights transgress a man's rights? It takes 2 to make a baby, it should take 2 to decide the babies future.
What if they are married, the spouse has no rights?
If the father wants an abortion and mother doesn't, why can't the man pay for a financial abortion and never have to do anything ever again with/for the child?
What if the mother trapped the male by stopping her BC? For men it's called "Stealthing?" for Women it should be same, but it's not. At the very least it should be Fraud, but even so, the male is on the hook for the Child Support and was robbed of his right to pick his circumstances as to when and who he wants to have a child with.