01-16-2019, 09:46 AM
My interest in this incident, and Bfine's question, is still about the meaning of the whole situation.
When I was 11, no adult needed "training" to break up a fight. And no way would I have ever rushed an angry grown man with my fists up.
If it is true that these girls were harassing an older woman, then bystanders should step in. At the very least someone should call mall security.
And just to re-affirm my earlier point--an 11 year old GIRL who rushes at a full grown man with her dukes up to fight--who here would be ok if his daughter did that? I am not defending her attacker when I ask: how is that girl in the classroom, and with other students, especially weaker or "uncool" ones?
We are not doing well if we look at this CLUSTER of problems and see only a bad man who may have had PTSD. I don't have all the facts yet. But even if the guy doesn't have PTSD and the girls weren't harassing an older woman, we need to go a little slower before determining who the victims and aggressors are. A single person can be both.
I haven't heard anyone say this yet--perhaps there is a connection between the fact that now it is presumed that a mall altercation involving children must be handled by professionals, and the fact that it occurred. The close monitoring of children by adults, once the job of the village, is now only for parents and accredited specialists. This puts more responsibility on the parents, who in some cases may not be accepting that responsibility. And the children learn this early.
When I was 11, no adult needed "training" to break up a fight. And no way would I have ever rushed an angry grown man with my fists up.
If it is true that these girls were harassing an older woman, then bystanders should step in. At the very least someone should call mall security.
And just to re-affirm my earlier point--an 11 year old GIRL who rushes at a full grown man with her dukes up to fight--who here would be ok if his daughter did that? I am not defending her attacker when I ask: how is that girl in the classroom, and with other students, especially weaker or "uncool" ones?
We are not doing well if we look at this CLUSTER of problems and see only a bad man who may have had PTSD. I don't have all the facts yet. But even if the guy doesn't have PTSD and the girls weren't harassing an older woman, we need to go a little slower before determining who the victims and aggressors are. A single person can be both.
I haven't heard anyone say this yet--perhaps there is a connection between the fact that now it is presumed that a mall altercation involving children must be handled by professionals, and the fact that it occurred. The close monitoring of children by adults, once the job of the village, is now only for parents and accredited specialists. This puts more responsibility on the parents, who in some cases may not be accepting that responsibility. And the children learn this early.
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