Why Is Trump's Wall A Bad Thing?

[Dill]

(02-01-2019, 08:32 PM)Crazyjdawg Wrote: From the time he was a candidate until this whole shutdown for the Wall thing started, I've heard multiple Republicans, from commentators and politicians to citizens, call the Wall a metaphor. 

I would argue that a lot of people who voted for him thought he was speaking metaphorically about border security, not an actual wall.

I would also argue that a lot of people likely voted for him more as a vote against Hillary who didn't necessarily want the Wall even if it wasn't a metaphor.

And the polls support the fact that most people don't want the wall.

I have not yet seen any statistical evidence saying that the Wall would create any significant improvement in either drug trafficking or illegal immigration. Especially since the Wall cannot get rid of the illegal immigrants that are already here.

To put it simply:

While the Wall would not be so expensive that it would create any kind of havoc on our country's overall budget, statistics indicate it won't stop the drugs that Trump thinks it will. It won't cost what Trump thinks it will. It won't fix the problem with immigration today in regards to the volume of illegal immigrants in this country. And it isn't a crime issue, as immigrants are statistically less likely to commit crime than natural born citizens.

So what is the point? Why spend the money? Why spend the time? And why give in to a whiny idiot of a President who fashions himself a master negotiator when he couldn't negotiate himself out of a wet paper bag?

If you give Trump this, he'll only be incentivized to keep doing stupid shit. And he'll continue to think he's smarter, craftier and better than he is.

Trump is the actual definition of the Dunning Kruger effect and it's a matter of principal in a lot of people's minds not to let a delusional man wallow in his delusions. Especially when he has more power than any other person in this country. He needs to be put in his place, whether he is willing acknowledge it or not.

He is not smart. He is not a good negotiator. He did not accomplish the military. And he is not getting his Wall. Unless he is able to tell us why we need it so badly. That's what a good negotiator does. He convinces you that he is right. Or he incentivizes you to do what he wants. Or he compromises and provides something that you want. Trump has not done any of these things.

Now, conservatives will paint this viewpoint as "TDS," but I think it's just a good policy for any person. If you want something, justify it. Give reasons for why you're doing something that aren't bathed in lies. If you can't, then you don't deserve what you want. Every other politician in Washington has to justify their bills that they put forward.

It's time for Trump to do the same. If he can convince Democrats that the Wall will be worth the investment, then he'll get it. Until then, he'll just be left in his office, stamping his feet and scrunching his nose as much as he wants. We'll wait for the tantrum to end.

Hope our Trump defenders can push past all the "Trump hate" to see both the factual points laid out here and the standards/rationale for negotiating with Trump.

Why can't the "deal maker" make this deal?  Seems he only takes one demographic seriously, not making an argument to the whole country. Shouldn't the taxpayers be good negotiators too?