02-06-2019, 07:03 PM
(02-06-2019, 04:42 PM)Dill Wrote: I agree that a reference to Trump should not relativize a Warren lie, as in make it ok--
But you'll use the rest of your post to apparently do exactly that.
Quote:but if one digs up her lie in hopes of diminishing her candidacy in an election, at some point, the question of scale and degree has to arise.
Not really, but please do explain further.
Quote:If some voters embrace the mother of all flat-out liars, then identify a possible-lie-depending-on-how-you-look-at-it told by said mother's political opponent as if lies were now disqualifying or equivalating--it's ok to make the double standard an issue, isn't it?
There are two glaring issues with this point. One it is a false comparison as this is not a comparison between Trump and Warren. It's a comparison between Warren and every other person running for the Democratic nomination. Secondly, double standards cut both ways. A person who lambastes Trump for lying cannot then defend Warren without engaging in the exact same hypocrisy you're pointing out for a Trump supporter who claims Warren's decades long lie disqualifies her. You're effectively attempting to argue degree, which is completely subjective.
Quote:Further, people who claim to support neither Trump nor Warren can still uphold that double standard if they keep the focus on Warren and never rise to the larger question of fitness for office, as it applies to all candidates, including the current officeholder.
The focus is on Warren in this thread because that's what the thread's topic is. If you think the focus is on Warren over Trump in 99% of other locations then you're completely delusional.
Quote:Seems to me that is what the discussion ought to be about, even if the starting point is Warren's one lie-if-you-look-at-it-the-right-way.
Yeah, you're not trying to "relativize" Warren's lie at all. Face it, she flat out lied about her ethnicity to advance her career and then lied about lying about it for decades afterwards. There is no "if you look at it the right way" here. You honestly destroy any point you tried to make in this post with this one sentence.
Quote:We are only talking about politicians' lies because we are evaluating the character of actual leaders and their fitness to lead. Fine if people who examine Warren's claims dig up whatever dirt they can, but whatever they find has to be eventually assessed in that larger context, in which comparison with other candidates' dirt is neither whataboutism nor bothsidesism, nor relativizing one or the other.
It absolutely is, but, again, you're not trying to "relativize" Warren's lie. In any event, as I've already explained, it is not a Trump compared to Warren situation until Warren wins the Democratic nomination. Until that time it's a Warren versus everyone else running for the Dem spot comparison.
