Trump mocks Elizabeth Warren’s heritage AND #metoo

[GMDino]

(02-07-2019, 09:51 AM)Crazyjdawg Wrote: In my short time visiting this particular subforum (P&R) I've found that you and I agree on a lot of things, GMDino.

However, I agree with the idea that bringing up Trump's lies when discussing Warren's "lies" (I am not even certain what she lied about. The last I heard, she did have a small amount of native American heritage, so I dunno if what she said is a lie or more just an exaggeration) is a logical fallacy called "Whataboutism" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism.

It probably has a more official title in terms of the logical fallacy discussion group.

But I don't think we, as Trump opposers, need to call out Trump's constant lying as some sort of argument supporting Warren.

Lies are bad regardless of side of the political spectrum you fall on. If Warren lied, she needs to be held accountable for those lies just like Trump does. 

The fact that Trump supporters expressly do NOT hold Trump accountable to his lies does not mean we should start not holding Warren accountable either (I'm not saying you said we should, just taking the next logical step in the discussion preemptively).

I think we can all agree that politicians who lie are bad. I think we can all also agree that the scale of the lie is important. But I don't think we should excuse Warren's lies (not saying you are doing this necessarily) simply because Trump lies more or lies in a way that is much more damaging to the country.

And where I disagree, and you can reread what I have said, is that I never said I supported Warren.  Or that his lies made her lie okay.

I responded a Trump supporter that willfully ignores all of DJT's lies and posts about Warren's.  The sad thing is they talk about that one lie because they are defending Trump from accusations of bullying because he calls her "Pocahontas".  If they keep harping on "she lied" then it lessens the blow (to them) that he is the bully when his wife claims to be the most bullied person ever.  However NOW they want to use my response as "whataboutism".

And it's okay.  We all know they support Trump and what he says and does.  It's always "the other side" that is lying and bullying.