02-11-2019, 08:24 PM
(02-11-2019, 01:41 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: I disagree to an extent. If what they did violates the law or is an egregious violation of the rules of the body, then expulsion is appropriate. However, if it's just asshattery then then should only be censured. The bar for removal from office without a democratic process is very high for me. This isn't to say I wouldn't encourage them to resign, and call for it publicly, but the voters should have their say in whether the person is in office or not. This is why recall elections should be possible.
There has to be a floor for conduct and commentary for an elected official. There exists procedural means for removing a House Rep from office and I don't know that criminal activity is the only thing that warrants it being put into effect. I understand your comment about voters being the one to remove them from office, but that's close to two years away. Plus this assumes their constituents have a problem with their statements. Just because you represent a constituency that's ok with your specific brand of racism doesn't mean you get to be racist and still be a member of Congress.
(02-11-2019, 06:07 PM)Dill Wrote: Totally agree with the bolded.
I add that it sounds like McCarthy is saying " If we are going to go after those who normalize white supremacy, then we should go after those who criticize human rights violations in Israel. " Since he and other Republicans fault Omar and Talib for their support of the BDS movement, his accusation appears to turn on a broad definition of antisemitism, which includes most any criticism of the Israeli state, especially by non-Jewish Semitic people.
Supporting the BDS movement is not the same as saying that the Jews have hypnotized people or that the only reason anyone in Congress supports Israel is because they are bribed to do so.
Quote:I haven't seen any quotes by Omar and Tlaib which fit the narrower definition, which would limit the label to remarks about Jews based upon racial stereotypes and antisemitic ideology (e.g., parasitical Jewish bankers control the world).
Of course you haven't. Based on your posting history you probably agree with everything they've said. Sorry, but alluding to old racist tropes about Jews beguiling others or swaying them with money is just as bad as any other racist stereotype.
Quote:Perhaps they have made such remarks somewhere. If so, then censure is appropriate. If not, then a distinction needs to be made between criticizing a state on the basis of its human rights violations and--the polar opposite--actions denying universal human equality on racial/ethnic/religious grounds.
Oddly enough, and I'm sure you won't believe this, I've argued in this very forum, and the old one, long before you started posting in here about this very point. Criticism of Israel is not inherently antisemitic. Referring to the Jews using racist stereotypes is. If you don't see that in her posts, which she continues to produce despite being informed that she comes off as very antisemitic, then you're part of the problem. It's very apparent to me, blindingly obvious, that Omar is an antisemite.
