03-08-2019, 03:09 PM
(03-08-2019, 04:22 AM)Dill Wrote: I understand what you "mean." I just don't see any proof of what you claim. "Leftists" who want complete open borders? Liberals who "crap" on the Constitution? It is futile to explain anything to people who ask for proof? Worth the time spent, though, if people accept your word without proof?
Trump has claimed that out of your sea of millions of illegal and undocumented aliens 3-5 million voted in the 2016 election. People who "know" what they want to know need no proof of that. But for the rest, Trump empowered a FEDERAL PANEL to investigate voter fraud nationwide. Do you hear much about the results of that investigation on Fox and Right-wing blogs and websites?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2018/08/03/the-most-bizarre-thing-ive-ever-been-a-part-of-trump-panel-found-no-voter-fraud-ex-member-says/?utm_term=.de512be73836
Your support for you belief that voter fraud is widespread is 1) it just must be because how could there not be?,
and 2) a Heritage foundation link which claims to have found over a thousand cases over a time period reaching back to the 80s. I looked at 11 of the cases, which included no illegals. In fact, the HF is including election fraud in its database, often by local politicians. I'm not reading all of them to find one or two illegals who voted. How good are you at math? Even if the Heritage site documented a 1,000 illegal immigrants over 30 years, what percentage of the hundreds of millions of votes cast would that be?
And of course you totally ignored my question about priorities. If you are really concerned about the integrity of voting in the US, you should be able to explain why excluding a few possible illegal voters is worth actually excluding thousands of legal voters.
A couple of things here...
1. I’ve already admitted Trump way over exaggerated. You can find that in an earlier post you’ve already quoted of mine.
2. You seem to gloss over the fact that this Federal Panel tasked to investigate voter fraud has been denied access to voter records in states known to have the greatest numbers of illegal immigrants.
Therefore your argument that widespread illegals voting did not happen because a panel never found evidence when they were not allowed to look at the most obvious places it would have taken place is ridiculous.
3. Every illegal vote cast cancels out 1 legal vote cast.
4. What do you think about the Dems opposition to voter ID laws? Their claim that voter ID laws are racist and a ploy from the right to suppress millions of legal minority voters that can not afford IDs. Where’s the evidence that this is true? Another baseless unproven allegation that the MSM has zero issues running with over and over again.
