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Bengals land G- John Miller
(03-20-2019, 06:15 PM)Joelist Wrote: You can also make the argument that he was pressured more because he held on to the ball too long.

You certianly could, but either way - its built on context and why that context is important. 

My agrument isn't really as much how long Allen held the ball or how much time he had before pressure as much as it is simply isolating a random stat can be misleading without context.  

Im trying to be respectful and just have a good football conversation w fellow football fans, so please dont take this as rude or confrontational.  

I just think its a little foolish or ignorant for someone who hasnt watched a ton of Bills football to pick out one stat with no understanding of context and decide that stat defines the player. 
Especially when trying to explain it to somone who has watched every offensive snap from last season multiple times. 

As mentioned, if it were backwards and i chose a random stat and tried to tell you it defines Daltons play - youd think I was crazy and try to explain the context of why i was incorrect. Id also defer to you, Bengals fan, who have watched him play more than I. Thinking I know more than you based on me isolating that stat would be super ignorant of me and thats also not how id want to evaluate players. 

Im not even arguing Josh Allen was good or bad. He was a rookie who showed some excellent flashes of being a game changer, but who also has flaws that will have to be fixed, masked, or ironed out. Holding the ball too long however was not one of the aforementioned flaws. He led the league in pass yards per attempt and completed yards per att. In an almost exclusive vertical passing attack, you need to have the ball in your hands longer than someone in a WC attack. Just the nature of the design. Not a detriment or issue - simply his game and the way the Bills designed their O attack last year. Considering the line he had its impressive what he WAS able to accomplish - esp when that line couldnt establish a run game either.

In fairness i know that when the comment comment was made no one was expecting to have to defend it either and it was just made in passing as a contribution to the convo.... BUT- Again, its all in the context 
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