04-03-2019, 09:32 PM
(04-03-2019, 08:21 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: I completely agree that the EC now functions in a way not intended at its creation. That being said I believe that it now functions in a way that directly reflects the intentions of the Framers.
I would again have to disagree. The reason Madison didn't think the national popular vote would work? Slave states wouldn't be for it because it would take power away from them. That is the biggest reason this compromise solution was pushed forward. The other big reason is because the average voter would not know the presidential candidates, so there would be an indirect election. Those were the intentions, and those aren't an issue anymore.
(04-03-2019, 08:21 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: I think we've descended into semantics here. When I say rural I mean lower population centers. Milwaukee is rural compared to LA or NYC. Long Beach has close to as many residents as Milwaukee.
That's not what rural means, though. I get that your perception is skewed, I deal with that all the time with students from NoVA, Jersey, and the like. But a small city can still be an urban center.
(04-03-2019, 08:21 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: I get that, but doesn't the motivation behind the Zeitgeist give you some measure of disquiet?
Maybe it's because I'm involved in politics a bit too much, but no. I am willing to take advantage of momentum like this. A decade ago, the majority of Democrats, Republicans, and Independents wanted to get rid of the EC and it still hasn't happened yet. If this can help make it happen, I'm for it.
(04-03-2019, 08:21 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Not at the individual level, no. At the state level, absolutely there is.
If we're talking about election equity we're talking about the individual level. One person, one vote.
(04-03-2019, 08:21 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Which, I think, is a good argument in favor of your expanding House membership numbers. As a counter argument to the EC, I don't buy it.
I think on this one, we would just have to disagree.
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"The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little." - FDR
