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How big of a vote gap would it take for you to drop the Electoral College?
(04-08-2019, 01:20 PM)Dill Wrote: The key to acceptance of this two-­stage plan for presidential selection lay in the different character of electoral college and House contingent voting. The electoral college, reflecting in a rough way the population of states, would favor the large states at the cost of the small states—or more accurately, populations rather than equally­weighted states. When the contingent House procedure went into effect—as it most often would—the voting would be one vote per state delegation, thus representing equally weighed individual states regardless of population. This mechanism was a compromise between the principle of population and that of equal state interest. As James Madison later described the electoral college, it was "the result of compromise between the larger and smaller states, giving to the latter the advantage of selecting a President from the candidates, in consideration of the former in selecting the candidates from the people" (Langley and Peirce 22).

This quote appears to actually be from Why the Electoral College Is Bad for America: Second Edition By George C. Edwards

https://books.google.com/books?id=iJSzAwAAQBAJ&pg=PA106&lpg=PA106&dq=%22The+key+to+acceptance+of+this+two-%C2%ADstage+plan+for+%22&source=bl&ots=cVDhWEvDQH&sig=ACfU3U0Mole1PmIydGO3RGfnl3pGdQqtsw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiSkMP738HhAhVEuVkKHYARCvsQ6AEwAHoECAAQAQ#v=onepage&q=%22The%20key%20to%20acceptance%20of%20this%20two-%C2%ADstage%20plan%20for%20%22&f=false

The paragraphs preceding explicitly state that the EC was not conceived by the committee members to be a "bulwark for states rights" nor was it created to protect small states. Your quote specifically refers to the process of breaking an electoral tie within the Congress. It concedes that some believed that most elections would be thrown to the House because they expected electors to nominate people from their states, but it goes on to address house Madison expressed greater concern with slave states. He mentions that the framers expected low population states to be quickly populated, closing the gap between small population states and large population states. This did not happen, however, as more states were added. 

So the conclusion is that the use of the CT compromise framework was to resolve issues with slave states. The use of the one vote per state tie breaker in the House was for small states.

The former is what people are trying to suggest protects small states. 
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RE: How big of a vote gap would it take for you to drop the Electoral College? - BmorePat87 - 04-08-2019, 09:52 PM

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