Graduation Stories

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(05-22-2019, 12:31 PM)bfine32 Wrote: The title of the thread is Graduate Stories so I think where it happened mattered in my scenario. But you did solve the mystery whether you were ignoring here it happened on purpose or accidentally. You're changing the whole issue to I'm upset they criticized their employer, while I've constantly said nothing wrong with it in the proper forum. My view would be unchanged if the walked out on a Clinton. 

So in synapse: You are arguing a point not made. Something that is very prevalent around here. 

(05-20-2019, 02:59 PM)bfine32 Wrote: 3 caught my eye over the weekend:

https://people.com/politics/students-faculty-walk-out-of-mike-pence-commencement-address/


Really have no problem with the kids walking out. They're just short-changing themselves, but the faculty should be disciplined.

(05-20-2019, 05:56 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I can't force my employees to do as I instruct for a job related duty? Boy will my employees be happy the next time I tell them they have to attend another briefing. 

(05-20-2019, 05:58 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I've never denied my position that educators should not share their political bias while at school functions. 

I guess we just kinda differ on that. 

(05-20-2019, 08:44 PM)bfine32 Wrote: A tenured Professor can be dismissed for failure to do their job (negligence) so I'm pretty sure they can be disciplined for it. 

(05-20-2019, 09:17 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Just seems like a good time to take a sick day instead of publicly defying your employer. 

(05-20-2019, 11:24 PM)bfine32 Wrote: No doubt, we all can't be experts on everything. But to me one of their implied duties would be to attend the school's graduation ceremony. Pence gave pretty much the same speech at Liberty the week prior. Do you know why that one wasn't political?

Members of the staff and student body didn't make it so. 

But you've already indicated you're good with educators sharing their political bias while on the clock. Perhaps that's part of what their job "really is".

(05-21-2019, 01:03 PM)bfine32 Wrote: When you are salaried and representing an organization you are "on the clock". Taylor is a Christian University and Pence is known as a high-profile devout Christian. You nor anyone else knew if the speech was to be political; as they walked out before a word was uttered. If Pence kept his comments to Religious views then he, nor the administrators made it political; however, the ones that walked out did, because they disagree with his politics.

We will further disagree that part of an educator's job is to make known their political bias.

(05-21-2019, 01:05 PM)bfine32 Wrote: So they walked out because they disagreed with an employer's decision.

(05-21-2019, 01:09 PM)bfine32 Wrote: As I said: I have 0 issue with the kids walking out. The employees had no business "upstaging" their employer and should be disciplined. If you don't agree with the decision either suck it up and do your job or stay away.

(05-21-2019, 03:30 PM)bfine32 Wrote: 1&2: It is why I said it would be a good day to take a sick day. When you come with the intent of publicly demonstrating against your employer's (pretty sure that's the right word; although, I've been corrected) decisions. IMO you reap what you sow.

3. No you don't. It only becomes a political event when politics are discussed or in this case select students and faculty choose to make it so before a single word was uttered. If they would have stayed and walked out once Pence turned political then they may have a point; although, I probably still disagree with it but that's a personal bias.

4. And I've read most were happy to have him there and even made "I Like Mike" T-Shirts, but the point is moot. The University invited someone they wanted to speak at a graduation and some got mad because their thoughts were "ignored". As I said I have 0 issue with the kids walking out; they ruined their own day. But what about that kid that remained and saw one of his/her favorite professors leave? Who short-changed him/her?

(05-21-2019, 05:02 PM)bfine32 Wrote: And as I've said constantly. It would have been a good day to use a sick day. You're not supporting the speaker you're supporting your institution and the students. I've listened to many folks I disagree with. 

I don't how many times I can say Pence was not a wise choice for speaker, but none of that excuses the employees' behavior. But I'm a conservative with a focus on business workings. I can see how a Liberal with a focus on social workings could differ. 

IMO these employees defied their employer and should be disciplined. To what level can be argued. 

(05-22-2019, 10:31 AM)bfine32 Wrote: As I've said I have 0 issue with members of the audience expressing their dissent publicly.  My issue is with the staff doing so and how the university should discipline such acts of overt criticism of the institution on the day of celebration.  

Other applaud it, I condemn it. but disagreement is what makes the board go round.  

Yep.  Not upset about the employee criticizing the employer.  Nope.  Not at all.

(05-22-2019, 12:31 PM)bfine32 Wrote: So in synapse: You are arguing a point not made. Something that is very prevalent around here.