Graduation Stories

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(05-22-2019, 12:31 PM)bfine32 Wrote: The title of the thread is Graduate Stories so I think where it happened mattered in my scenario. But you did solve the mystery whether you were ignoring here it happened on purpose or accidentally. You're changing the whole issue to I'm upset they criticized their employer, while I've constantly said nothing wrong with it in the proper forum. My view would be unchanged if the walked out on a Clinton. 

So in synapse: You are arguing a point not made. Something that is very prevalent around here. 

(05-23-2019, 05:39 PM)bfine32 Wrote: And failing to treat them as a business has been the demise of a few. If if I recall from an earlier conversation you are very involved in the business side of higher education. And if you remember from that same conversation, so am I.

To state there's not a difference in the way a public and private institution are funded is absurd and it is the biggest difference. If I am a big endower at a private institution and I have heartburn with staff faculty walking out on my school, a fellow christian, my former Governor, and current VP. It has a tremendous greater impact than if I'm that same person at a public university.  And the private institution may be much more motivated to give me satisfaction.

(05-23-2019, 05:41 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I ignoring nothing and Disagree all you want, but if you work at a private institution; I'd recommend you be prepared to reap the consequences of your actions and what exactly your job duties may entail. It's all in the wording: You say they walked out on a political speech and I say they walked out on a school function.

(05-23-2019, 05:46 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Of course HR is business in the traditional sense. I don't know if they violated their contract; however, at a private Christian institution I wouldn't be surprised if they were required to sign some sort of morality agreement.  Does failing to support; moreover, showing insolence toward your organization at one of their public-facing functions violate that agreement? IDK. But if it does not whomever wrote it is an idiot.

(05-23-2019, 06:42 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I don't think political protest is immoral. But that's not what happened here; they protested their institution. 

But you're entitled to your opinion.

(05-24-2019, 10:18 AM)bfine32 Wrote: 1. I get phrasing that way makes it seem better for those that left the school function. Do you have a list of other events these professor have protested Pence. If the answer is no; then my point is made.

2. I blame me for the confusion

3. You have no idea what affect it had on the ceremony.

4. That's because you're a Liberal and I'm a Conservative. My assertion is "express" all you want, but be prepared to accept the consequences if your "expression" shows insolence toward your employer. 

(05-24-2019, 10:39 AM)bfine32 Wrote: As I told Matt: You view it from an ideological Liberal view. I view it as a business decision. It's good to be able to keep your head in the clouds.

(05-24-2019, 11:33 AM)bfine32 Wrote: 1. They protested the part of the ceremony of which they disagreed with their employer's decision. They used this school function to do so.

2. I've already stated it beats booing and staying

3. As I said Liberal/Conservative.

(05-24-2019, 01:47 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Actually Wednesday was my Birthday, I took the day off. This whole thing is getting kind of creepy.

Your the one that said another employee but ask me for a name when I said most likely the owner.

The Board does not own the University but they definitely speak for and execute the wishes of the owners. That's if they want to remain in business.

(05-24-2019, 03:18 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Why do we have to imagine, why can't we use what actually happened?

What happened was not in the confines of the classroom, it was not a "walkout" when the decision was made to invite Pence,  it was insolence toward your employer at a public-facing event.

It's great you, Pat, and others know the inner working of the classroom and the educational dynamic in general. The only thing anyone learned on that day is that it is OK (at best) supported (at worst) to defy your organization during a time of celebration because of your personal views

(05-24-2019, 03:33 PM)bfine32 Wrote: 1. Or folks could just stop stalking; it's creepy.

2-3. Owner-Owners; Damn those semantics. They walked out on their employer's decision. Pence hadn't even uttered a word. Now who was the other employee that made the decision to invite Pence?

4. How would I know as audience member even know? Hell I'm not even suppose to notice they walked off the stage

5-6. Actually most private businesses use a the term PTO (paid time off). I just used sick day because is more widely used and understood. Emotional health is important too. They needed to take the day, so Pence's speech didn't cause them emotional pain.

Are you SURE it's not about the employer?

'Cause it sure reads like your upset at their "insolence" at their employer.



Actually I'd understand your continuing this if you admitted said it was because you support Pence as a Republican and a Christian.  At least that would be more believable than you just can't stand the thought of someone quietly walking out before a guest speaker because it is "disrespectful" to the "employer".