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[GMDino]

(06-22-2019, 04:11 AM)Dill Wrote: ??? Not a peep from whom? when? where???

What "inconsistencies" of what "others" are you pointing out, while complaining about the "disdainful discounting" of others' concerns? And what do inconsistencies of others regarding Clinton have to do with a thread I started on the newest accusations against Trump?  Should they not be reported/discussed in this forum becomes some unnamed member won't respond to accusations against Clinton?  Could Bfine be obliquely arguing against some unnamed person's Clinton inconsistency? A shadow argument?

Trump is not simply "not morally virtuous." He is unstable. incompetent. vicious. publicly and pathologically so. He was elected anyway, and his behavior is defended every day. People defending him back themselves into corners. How could they not? There are only two ways to go: 1) arguing that his behavior is not really that bad (gaslighting), thereby destroying norms and lowering standards; or 2) arguing that others (Hillary, Bill, Obama) are really just as bad--the false equivalence as red herring. Either way is just throwing up smoke.

I have reported yet another rape accusation against Trump, clearly marked ALLEGED, and emphasized, along the way, the alleged victim's questionable take on her own alleged victimhood, and Bfine's first move is to complain my "numbers" presume him guilty.  I'm biased.  Somehow.

Following Trump's own misdirection tactic, Bfine then questions the timing of the victim's story, which coincides with the publication of her book, sent to the publisher long before any recent Trump announcement. I note that Trump filed his candidacy on his inauguration day (implication, Trump's candidacy is old news); and Bfine says I am wrong. When it turns out I'm not wrong, then he accuses me of substituting my words for his or some such, instead of explaining why his timing complaint should still have merit. So while I am addressing his points, he is, yet again, going down a side track. Hence not following the argument.

Seems to me he has been about as "disdainful" of my concerns as I of his. But as my complaint suggests, I would rather keep to facts of this case and the merit of arguments undermining the accuser's credibility then get off into the smoke of bias charges, disdain, and inconsistencies relating to Bill Clinton, not Trump.

Dill none of this matters because....Clinton.

While they say they are not defending Trump that is all they do.  Oh, there is the occasional "I feel he shouldn't speak that way" when backed into a corner but the Trump defenders simply do not believe anything bad about him.

All the posts and stories and whatever proof there is will not matter.

There are those of us who has insisted that Clinton should have stepped down during the Lewinski matter which was MUCH LESS of an event that an alleged rape.  

That doesn't matter to them.

As long as there are 30+ year old stories and accusations against Clinton (or any Democrat really) they will insist that every accusation against DJT is politically motivated.

That it is even considered a "cowinky-dink" that this story came out now is silly.  DJT has been running for office since his inauguration.  Even the poster who said it must know that much but there MUST be a defense of Trump.  Usually followed by "I'm not really defending him, but...."

I don't know if this story holds water or not.  I don't know if Trump was a sexual predator or not.  (I don't think he still is...I doubt he can get it up enough to partially measure it against Hannity's with all that adderall in his system.  )  But I know that there are people out there who STILL believe Obama was born in Kenya and who will post any "story" they can to prove it and won't even listen or look into an allegation aginst they Savior DJT.

Nothing in this thread actually tried to refute the allegations other than personal attacks on the accuser and the poster...and mentions of someone who had not posted in this thread (yet). 

They are on the Trump train...and nothing will derail that.  They just aren't "intellectually honest" enough to say it despite every post showing it.