07-26-2019, 03:52 PM
(07-26-2019, 03:37 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Once Brexit was announced I suggested that Northern Ireland and Scotland should have the choice to leave the United Kingdom and stay with the EU; as the whole motivation of Brexit it sovereign nation. But I can likewise see that might be sorta like saying California can elected their own President.
What about Wales?
(07-26-2019, 03:37 PM)bfine32 Wrote: As to what will change; we don't know. The US does pretty good economically and is not a member of the EU. UK may just be required to find new trade partners if the rest of EU doesn't want to play ball.
I'm not going saying they were promised good economic outcomes and that was a lie. What I'm saying is they were told they could keep up trade as if nothing changed, which is a lie because of the need for renegotiation. They were told they would be allowed free movement while controlling their own borders, which is a lie as the EU requires reciprocity for free movement. The "leave" campaign sold a whole lot of snake oil leading up to the vote.
I tend to go along with Dahl and the criteria he places for a democracy. One of them is an enlightened citizenry. If they're being lied to about what the referendum would do, does that not bring up questions about how democratic that process is?
"A great democracy has got to be progressive, or it will soon cease to be either great or a democracy..." - TR
"The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little." - FDR
"The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little." - FDR
