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Player Bias
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(08-09-2019, 05:33 PM)ochocincos Wrote: How do you know he ran a bunch of wrong routes? How do you know he didn't run the correct route but the ball was under or overthrown? There's evidence of that multiple times in the clip I posted of the Saints game. A deep ball underthrown. A crosser that was thrown too far ahead of Ross.

It's pretty clear Ross and Dalton don't have their timing down and that Dalton struggles with hitting receivers in stride with the deep ball. We've seen the deep ball issues with other receivers with Dalton. The difference is most of the other receivers going deep (like AJ and Marvin Jones) are taller and therefore have better ability to come back to the underthrown ball and high point it. Ross isn't going to out-leap defenders.

Routes are designed to be run in a certain way, not just in a particular line. For example, on an out route (and say the defender has inside leverage) the player is suppose to run the defender inside towards where he defender already is (hopefully getting the defender to turn inside or at the very least get the defender leaning that way), then the WR cuts outside and should be wide open. He might need to run him in a certain speed as he goes up, then cut out and race to a spot where the ball is suppose to be. It can be run wrong a number of different ways, but there is only one right way to run that particular route against a defender with inside leverage.

I've seen him turn the wrong way, ball thrown to his right (as defender is on his left), but he turns left into the defender. Result, ball and Ross are not in the same spot and ball isn't catchable, except maybe by a safety coming in. In that case, he is suppose to edge the defender left, then turn and come right for the ball. That should give him at least two steps on the defender covering him.

But how many times have seen Ross caught up with defenders with the ball in the air? He's not AJ Green who can out jump most defenders and come down with contested balls. Ross needs to create space between him and the defender. With his speed it seems like a no brainer, except it isn't cause he doesn't.

We hear from camp that he has consistency problems. Well, what can that consist of? Clue, it's not running fast. He's not running the routes right or he's not catching it or both.

Why would our QBs suddenly not be able to throw the ball when Ross is the receiver? That makes no sense. There is a case that the QBs don't trust him. But that's still on him for not gaining their trust in practice. You can blame Dalton all you want, or Lewis, but the evidence just doesn't bear out when you look at the history of WRs who have played for Lewis and played with Dalton.

210 yards in 16 games over two years for a top 10 WR pick is bad.

 
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Player Bias - ochocincos - 08-08-2019, 02:45 PM
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