08-20-2019, 10:34 AM
(08-20-2019, 09:56 AM)Dill Wrote: Agreed. The question here is what counts as anti-semitic. Just saying that the Israeli state "lies" does not fit that bill for me.
In the first place, ALL states lie, including the US. If I point out a specific case of such lying, it doesn't mean I "hate" the US or Americans.
In this case, Israel does misrepresent its history and treatment of Palestinians.
I would agree with this. I would also state that the BDS side also grossly misrepresents the Palestinian side of the conflict. How did the war that saw Israel seize these territories start?
Quote:If someone protests this by connecting it to some "inherent" dishonesty of Jews as a people then, yes, that is anti-semitism.
If someone criticizes the one-sided, distorted depiction of the conquest of Palestine which used to be on the Israeli state website, that is not, in itself, anti-semtism.
Also agreed. However this one sided view be offered by the Israeli government is not the only view out there. We don't live in 1984 were only one "truth" is available for public consumption. As stated above the Palestinians are equally miscast as pacifist victims of a tyrannical, aggressive, state.
Quote:But to repeat, I agree that people can muddy the waters and shoot themselves in the foot if they stupidly deploy rhetoric either drawn from or easily analogized to common anti-semitism. E.g., If find it perfectly normal and ok if an American Jew who happens to work in a bank contributes to AIPAC, but if were to criticize AIPAC as a group of "Jewish bankers" I would certainly be guilty of anti-semitism, even if the group does have Jewish bankers, because the banking is immaterial to such group membership and goals, and material only to a stereotype, deployed in lieu of a real argument.
Here is why a person like Omar does you and your cause far more damage then I think you realize. Omar is a bigot and an anti-Semite. The calls to remove her from the Foreign Affairs committee were the right call. Her inclusion in this trip was, IMO, the reason for the refusal. I think Tlaib would not have run into difficulty, at the very least not the same level of it, if Omar was not in the picture.
