10-16-2019, 10:10 AM
(10-16-2019, 09:42 AM)Belsnickel Wrote: That's the biggest issue, here, and one some of the cops and former cops I follow on social media have been saying. Every one of them had said that based on their training and procedures, for a call like this one officer goes to the back door while another officer knocks loudly at the front and announces "police." This covers both entrances and announcing yourself sets things in motion. Since there was no announcement of police, even when he was telling her to put her hands up, she was completely within her rights to have that firearm ready to go to protect her and her nephew (I believe it was). Every cop I follow was like "if I was that homeowner in that situation, you better believe I'd have my handgun ready to go."
Honestly, from the get go on this, my take has been that this wasn't malicious. This cop made a mistake, a tragic one. I don't know how long he had been an officer, but that seemed like a more "rookie" mistake. Failure to announce and a lack of trigger discipline. That being said, when an officer sees a gun there is going to be that immediate response to end a threat to the public and themselves. It's completely understandable to me what happened, but that doesn't excuse it.
Pretty much all of this. Nice to see a reasoned response in this thread. I don't know about the lack of trigger discipline though. It's very possible the officer saw the gun and intended to shoot.
(10-16-2019, 09:46 AM)GMDino Wrote: From the initial reports I think they said he was on the force since 2018.
We have to train these guys better. Period.
You have zero idea what kind of training this guy got. Also, everyone could be exposed to the best possible training and not absorb it the same way. Your line of thinking completely ignores that every human has different abilities.
Quote:This "mistake" took an innocent life, in her own home.
No excuses. Find out why this man didn't know or follow procedure for a non-emergency welfare check and fix it.
If it's a fixable issue, absolutely.
(10-16-2019, 09:48 AM)GMDino Wrote: Meanwhile....
https://www.theroot.com/like-a-prisoner-in-my-own-home-black-nj-family-says-th-1838980994
This is why your threads on this subject get no respect from me. You post an entirely one sided story from a site with an obvious bias and expect to be perceived as a neutral party who loves cops but wants them accountable? The assertion is laughable on its face.
Not knowing anything about this story other than this hit piece I can assume a few things. One, these were not "boys" as they were taken to county jail. This means they are legal adults. The use of "boys" is intentionally inflammatory and sheds doubt on the veracity of the rest of the article. Secondly, loitering may be the charge they were arrested for, but it's 100% not the reason they were contacted by police. My guess, based on actual experience, is that the adult males were engaged in some illegal activity in their front yard. The police received calls about said illegal activity but unfortunately did not catch the adult males in the act of committing said illegal activity. If one of them was hit with OC spray that almost certainly means they refused to cooperate with police and resisted being taken into custody. You do not have the right to do that even if you feel your arrest is unlawful. As for the bail issue, this is a red herring. For an infraction the judge will either "OR" them (the most likely scenario) or the bail would be so minimal, in the $100-$500 range (if that) that a bail bondsman could have them out for around $20 in less than two hours. If their bail is higher than that it's because they have a significant criminal history.
Like I said at the outset, a ton of unanswered (methinks deliberately) questions here that would have to be even asked before such an article should even be "published". That is, if we adhered to any standards of journalism at all.
