Ireland becomes first country to legalize gay marriage via pop vote

[Mike M (the other one)]

(05-28-2015, 01:10 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: Can you read my post again and see where I said it will likely not be a change? I know, we had a lengthy discussion so far about how I made the flippant remark with that second line and then said that there would likely not be a change and how that confused some people. You weren't a part of that so I just need to bring you into the fold on that. As to your chart, you should switch it over to the prevalence numbers, showing the percentage of the population infected. That rate actually has been steady since SSM in the Netherlands, meaning that SSM has no realized impact on the prevalence rate of infection and the increase in numbers is likely a result in population increase since the rate has remained steady at 0.2% since 2001. Showing that my assertion there would likely not be a change in the rate of infection is accurate.

As for the part in bold. I'm not missing the overall concept. You are missing some things.

1. There is no evidence to suggest legalizing SSM will increase the prevalence of HIV infections.
2. There is a false equivalency between a disease requiring active transmission vs. passive transmission in regards to how it is viewed for public health purposes.
3. You have yet to provide anything that could actually be done that would be the equivalent of requiring a vaccine for HIV. I'm genuinely curious as to what you think should be done since the whole SSM thing is a erroneous.

You said that you think the spread rate will slow down if we allow SSM, at worst remain the same.

I bring in data showing that it actually increased in a country after they legalized SSM.

I showed that the amount of people living with HIV almost doubled in 10 years. Did the population rate double?  No it did not, so how can you sit there and say it remained the same taking into consideration that Population Growth Rates and Birth Rates have dropped drastically during this same time frame.

1. I just provided you a chart that showed that it did.
2. *sigh. If it's so much harder to get, then why does it keep spreading at such a high rate? What % of the population must be infected before we admit we have a problem?
3. I'm not sure what should be done, but I think that legalizing SSM is not the answer.

Let's look at Belgium.
Prevalence Rate same.
Infected Doubled.
Number of deaths same
Pop Growth rate dropped by 2/3
Birth Rates dipped

Canada
Prevalence Rate increased
Amount infected increased by 50%
Death Rates same
Pop Growth rate dropped by 50%
Birth rates dipped

Let's look at a country where it's not legal.
Japan
Prevalence Rate remained steady
Amount infected dropped by 30%
Death Rates dropped by 80%
Pop Growth rate dropped
Birth rates dropped

How about India.
Prevalence Rate dropped in half
Amount infected dropped by 50%
Death Rates dropped 40%
Pop Growth Rates dropped
Birth Rates dropped