Trump booed at World Series

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(10-29-2019, 10:35 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: No, I don't include you in that category.  You're critical of him when you feel it's appropriate and you avoid engaging in the same level of attacks that he deploys against others.  You also don't engage in McCarthy-esque behavior regarding anyone who dares not live in a state of perpetual rage over the fact that Trump was elected POTUS.

I'm glad to hear that. I do my best to view each specific scenario as objectively as I can (often asking "would I view this as bad if a Democrat did it?") but, as the nature of bias goes, it's hard to objectively evaluate your own beliefs as partisan or not partisan.

(10-29-2019, 10:40 AM)Belsnickel Wrote: The issue at the heart of it isn't whether the booing is bad or good. One of the biggest and most accurate criticisms of Trump is the way in which he has lowered the esteem of the office of POTUS. He has taken a trend of divisive and uncivil partisanship and ratcheted it up to 11 as he violates so many of the norms that were in place as the guardrails of our democracy. The chanting at his rallies that he encourages is one of those examples. However, if you find yourself in disagreement with that chanting but don't feel the same about examples such as what occurred at the Nats' game, then it is likely your issue lies in a more partisan disagreement rather than the overall discouragement with the lack of civility in politics.

It's not about the chanting being right or wrong, that is a subjective judgement an individual has to make for themselves, it is about being honest with yourself about the current state of politics in this country.

Just my two cents.

It's an interesting discussion point. I ultimately fall on the side of "Politicians should act more civil than citizens." Citizens, after all, are directly affected by those politicians' beliefs and viewpoints, such that they can feel the actual impact of those politicians' beliefs (like getting your health care or other social services cut). So if those stances negatively impact you as a citizen, I think it's a natural response to voice your displeasure with that politician. It's done via polls, town halls and voting mostly, but in the rare opportunity where the President presents himself outside of his bubble at a nationally viewed event, booing him seems appropriate if you feel he is causing damage to your or your loved ones' lives, as we personally cannot directly remove him from office until 2020.

I have mixed feelings on the lock him up chant. I think that kind of rhetoric is dangerous because, taken to its extreme, you are discussing jailing your political opponents, which is insanely un-American and anti-democracy (as it is when Trump does it). Trump hasn't been convicted of anything yet, even if there is more and more evidence every day, so demanding he be put in jail is unpalatable at best. With that said, I do see the irony that he has so openly advocated for HIS political opponents to be thrown in jail, despite investigations showing that there is not enough evidence to justify prison time (whether you find that justification or not, it is what it is). 

There's a fair bit of schadenfreude in seeing a man so vehement about wanting to throw his political opponents in jail (whether that be Hillary, Joe/Hunter Biden or even Obama) actually end up on the wrong side of an investigation that could, realistically, result in him being imprisoned. Kind of a "hoisted by your petard" moment, which was undeniably ironic and comical.

I don't think coming to this conclusion is necessarily partisan although, as I said above, it is difficult to evaluate your own biases in such a partisan environment.