Hold on to your guns.

[GMDino]

(11-08-2019, 02:36 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: The LA times: https://www.latimes.com/world/mexico-americas/la-fg-mexico-guns-20190430-story.html

The NY Times: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/06/opinion/mormons-mexico.html

Hillary Clinton:  https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-mexico/u-s-to-blame-for-much-of-mexico-violence-clinton-idUSTRE52O5RF20090325

The New Yorker:  https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/the-link-between-americas-lax-gun-laws-and-the-violence-that-fuels-immigration

Newsweek:  https://www.newsweek.com/nearly-all-mexico-violence-fueled-illegal-us-guns-1453694

Barack Obama:  https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2013/05/03/obama_blames_us_for_gun_violence_in_mexico_pushes_for_gun_control.html

Still not sure?

The first two "blame" the US because so many of the guns in Mexico comes from here.

Clinton blamed violence on US drug use and admitted many of the guns being used come from the US.

The New Yorker cited actual illegal gun sales made possible by US gun laws.

Newsweek's article was based on Trump administration saying the guns come from America.

Obama is quoted saying this:

Quote:"Most of the guns used to commit violence here in Mexico come from the United States," President Obama said during a speech at Mexico's Anthropology Museum. "I think many of you know that in America, our Constitution guarantees our individual right to bear arms. And as president, I swore an oath to uphold that right, and I always will."

"But at the same time, as I’ve said in the United States, I will continue to do everything in my power to pass common-sense reforms that keep guns out of the hands of criminals and dangerous people. That can save lives here in Mexico and back home in the United States. It’s the right thing to do," Obama added.

Maybe I misinterpreted your statement:

Quote:I expect the usual suspects to blame Mexico's gun violence on the US.

(I mean that Fast and Furious went off the rails under Obama's watch is high irony but that's the entirety of the article linked.)

I thought you meant the US policies and perhaps were tying it into immigration somehow.

If there is proof the guns are coming from the US and the drug cartels are making money selling drugs in the US then that seems to be a levelheaded answer.  If the guns are entering Mexico illegally we need to address that and try to stop it either with current laws or better laws with fewer loopholes.  I'm not an expert on current gun laws and how they work when crossing country borders.


I will say I appreciate the links to actually back up your claim though.  Very refreshing around here.

(11-08-2019, 02:36 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: I am all for letting things cool down.  Apparently this isn't the case for this particular family member.  However, I don't recall you calling for such a grace period from David Hogg or Ms. Gonzalez.  Or was their CNN Townhall equally inappropriate?

That's kind of the point.  When a schp the folks who want to find answers to people doing it are told to not talk about the guns.  "Too soon".  But this one is being used within a week of the tragic event by you here (I don't know if there are others) to say we don't need to look at the other events because this one shows why everyone should be armed.

Obviously I don't disagree that we have a right to own guns, but I don't see how this tragic event should be used to either disarm American citizens in America or as an iconic moment to defend the 2nd amendment.