The Democratic Party has moved too far to the left.

[Dill]

(11-26-2019, 04:43 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I went to Websters and posted all in my meaning. Which one was I actually using that I missed?

IMO definition c was exactly what I was using, but please tell me. I'm used to others in this forum telling me what I meant

Your definition was keyed to these actions and themes raised by Hollo:

Yeah well, that perspective is not rooted in reality. In reality, the GOP does not quite allow for a contender, and third party stands no chance. Also, Trump is too popular among republicans. But I'm sure they're all very smart.

What's that supposed to mean? Did the left not care about morality before? Were they always fine with extorting other countries for campaign dirt before?

Well, since your current WH is swarming with shady figures and shady deals and is epicly embarrassing, I'd focus on that first and foremost. Oh, also it pulls "your" party, dare I say, into this mud with it. Conservativism is morphing into Trumpism and that might as well become the conservatives' future, and there are some obvious, egregious downsides to that. Is what I'd consider.

So he's discussing extra-political standards and behavior which are used to judge politics, but aren't politics per se. 

It is a common and trite claim that all politicians are dishonest or untrustworthy and "shady deals" are common, etc.  But that's not really "politics."

Best I can give you is that in gesturing that Trumpism (as Hollo describes it) is "like politics," you implicitly define politics as "shady deals." To which I counter--even if politicians maintain and exercise power through criminal actions, that doesn't make their actions "politics."