12-03-2019, 05:04 PM
(12-03-2019, 04:18 PM)Dill Wrote: I'm definitely descriptively "implying" that in the U.S., ideas opposed as "socialist" and "leftism" have turned out to be very popular because they are helpful, good for people.
All of them?
Quote:I might have added that from the 1930s on, comparisons to the Soviet Union accompanied attacks on "the left." Why shouldn't that figure as "grossly oversimplifying" things?
It does, it also has nothing to do with the discussion in this thread.
Quote:If Social Security and Medicare did not lead to the Gulag in the U.S., it is not clear that variations of medicare for all would either.
There's a rather a lot of room between right now and gulags. Your use of such a hyperbolic argument rather exposes how weak you know it to be.
Quote:Because so many "too far left" ideas have become a worthy normality--you have defended them yourself--that history should be opposed to yet another effort to frame an election as a choice between "far left socialism" and the true American way.
Let me clue you into something. Aside from social security every example you cite is giving someone something at the expense of nothing. Woman's suffrage, civil rights and same sex marriage all involve giving someone a right they did not previously posses, but it also cost nothing to anyone else. What the modern left is advocating will cost others immensely. They also know this which is why Warren constantly dodges on the middle class tax hike necessary to create her socialist utopia. Not only is there the monetary cost, but removal of private insurance is also being advocated. So not only will I have to pay for healthcare for all, including those who aren't in the country legally, but I am also having my private insurance being taken away. Freedom, amirite? Oh, I forgot, I'm also supposed to help pay of the loans that people voluntarily took on to earn an education. I mean, it's not like I didn't pay for my college and pay off all my student loans after several years.
Quote:Question for you--Regarding the Ukraine conspiracy, do we back Barr and Trump over the CIA/FBI? If AOC and Warren still the greater threat to our system of government then musn't we?
I'll be happy to answer that in the thread that's actually about that topic. In the meantime quit hijacking mine. Thank you very much.
