The Democratic Party has moved too far to the left.

[Dill]

(12-03-2019, 05:04 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: All of them?
It does, it also has nothing to do with the discussion in this thread.

There's a rather a lot of room between right now and gulags.  Your use of such a hyperbolic argument rather exposes how weak you know it to be.

My argument is no more "hyperbolic" than yours, but a good deal sounder as argument.

And yes, placing your "too far left" thesis in historical context has something to do with discussion on a thread entitled "The Democratic Party has moved too far Left."   I was not the one who first referenced "extreme states." All I did was point out how the Gulag down the road has been a consistent recourse to those opposing social(ist) legislation. Why do we have to forget that history because you want to re-use the tactic?

Which "leftist/socialist" ideas have been implemented which have not worked out? Off hand I cannot think of a one.  Maybe one of FDR's Farm programs?

In any case, my point does not require that none fail, or fail to be implemented. Only that many have worked out well. 

(12-03-2019, 05:04 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Let me clue you into something.  Aside from social security every example you cite is giving someone something at the expense of nothing.  Woman's suffrage, civil rights and same sex marriage all involve giving someone a right they did not previously posses, but it also cost nothing to anyone else.  What the modern left is advocating will cost others immensely.  They also know this which is why Warren constantly dodges on the middle class tax hike necessary to create her socialist utopia.  Not only is there the monetary cost, but removal of private insurance is also being advocated.  So not only will I have to pay for healthcare for all, including those who aren't in the country legally, but I am also having my private insurance being taken away.  Freedom, amirite? Oh, I forgot, I'm also supposed to help pay of the loans that people voluntarily took on to earn an education.  I mean, it's not like I didn't pay for my college and pay off all my student loans after several years.

Pretty sure Medicare costs someone something. Meant to throw in the GI Bill too. Could have mentioned "Medicaid," but the list was not meant to be exhaustive of ways in which the US has been built and improved by cost-sharing measures opposed as "socialist." 

If Warren is your problem, why not really refute her by showing how much you pay now for health care now compared to what your costs would be under her plain?  And how much health care will cost the country without her plan and then with it? Explain why the Dem party is tending left if Warren's poll numbers are dropping.

Did you go to a state university? And whence came your "loans"?

(12-03-2019, 05:04 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: I'll be happy to answer that in the thread that's actually about that topic.  In the meantime quit hijacking mine.  Thank you very much.

LOL don't thank me yet. You didn't announce your thread as a discussion of the merits of one candidates version of healthcare, but of the Democratic party's place on the contemporary political spectrum. The "threat" of far leftism which you would amplify here is one of Trumpism's biggest props at the moment.  The urgency of the far left threat you purport to identify cannot really be scaled in isolation from other threats to the republic, though it might distract from them.