So, should he be removed?

[Dill]

(12-10-2019, 02:56 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: Careful what you wish for.

If it fails... you could be handing Trump the 2020 election on a silver platter.

That would be bad for the country, for sure. 

But one more term may be necessary to make plain to the indifferent what a bad president Trump his, what terrible long-term consequences will follow from his time in office.  I also think it would help to discredit Fox and other sources of disinformation. 

The majority of Trump's base might continue in error, but I think that many people who have heretofore ignored politics on the assumption that elections don't mean much will be shaken out of their complacency and help the rest of us insure that something like this doesn't happen again.

People may become better at vetting information, work harder to be better informed. There may be a will to spend more time and resources on teaching history and politics at the public school level--especially how democracy can go wrong, how to recognize demagoguery, and the warning signs of bad judgment and incompetence, and how construction of "alternative" narratives to gaslight is a goal of 21st-century propaganda.

Of course, none of that may happen; Trump may just go on breaking things while the GOP says he is not, and we'll continue not to fix problems and blame the wrong people because of all the smoke.  And a new generation will just find it all the blatant lying and conspiracy mongering "normal." They'll be genuinely unable to tell whether Trump or the FBI is lying about Ukraine. 

Even if Trump is not impeached and wins in 2020, at least the Dems and the majority of Americans will be on record as having said NO to Trump immorality and incompetence.  Both sides weren't doing it.