Imho, here's the scary thing.

[Dill]

(12-26-2019, 10:00 PM)michaelsean Wrote: I didn’t mention Bobby Kennedy because of Eric and Ivanka. But you mentioned the DOJ as being a previously fairly independent body.

Liberals have been calling the FBI and CIA all kinds of awful things for decades. Not just individuals. Many say just awful things about the police, and again not just individuals.  What about ICE?

Liberals have criticized the FBI for wiretapping MLK as a "communist threat," yes. And they have criticized the CIA for Iran, Chile, and similar national embarrassments.  These criticisms have led to more accountability for these institutions and their leaders.

Trump has criticized the FBI for legitimately investigating his campaign and NOT desisting when so ordered. He has criticized the CIA for disagreeing with Putin. It is possible this sort of criticism diminishes the effectiveness of these agencies, damages national security, and makes them more reluctant to hold Trump accountable.

So at the level of rhetoric, yes, "both sides" criticize; but when facts, law and motivation are taken into account, both sides aren't on the same side of the Constitution.

The Bobby reference does not establish the historical precedent of a DOJ compromised to the degree it has been under Barr, Whitaker and Sessions. JFK and Trump had different ethical visions of government service and appointed people who reflected that difference.