Tua's agent: "I hoping Cincy falls in love with Joe Burrow."

[Shake n Blake]

(01-31-2020, 01:01 AM)SadFaceBengal15 Wrote: Love reading stuff like this.  I hope mike brown knows how agents and players feel about playing here and maybe juuuuuust maybe mike brown will allow himself to be humbled and make some changes to his unsuccessful approach over and over again.

We had guys not wanting to play for us in the 90s (Tyrone Wheatley comes to mind) and Mike didn't change then. 

He's hopelessly stubborn.

(01-31-2020, 10:52 AM)jj22 Wrote: https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/nfl/bengals/2020/01/31/carson-palmer-warns-joe-burrow-bengals-never-tried-win-super-bowl/2862096001/

I guess a perfect way for CP to seek revenge is to be in Burrow's ear and mess that up for us. 

I wouldn't doubt it if McCarron is in Tua's ear about the Bengals as well. AJM hated the Bengals at the end.

(01-31-2020, 11:45 AM)Nately120 Wrote: We shouldn't need a HoF QB to win a playoff game when guys like Ryan Tannehill, Blake Bottles, TJ Yates, and Carson Palmer made it further in a single shot than we did in 5 in a row.

Getting 0 playoff wins out of our last 15+ years of decent QB play looks like a screwed sort of situation, yes.

Yep. We all know it, we all say it, then when someone else says it, we get mad.

(02-01-2020, 08:23 PM)Benton Wrote: Well, yeah.

Mike Brown has been heinously loyal to his quarterbacks. Both the last two have had stays that, at times, weren't a reflection of what they provided to the team but instead a sign of browns loyalty to players loyal to him.

And for any player going in the top 10, you're most likely going to a bad team. Sure, there's some fluke years where a consistently good org like the pats or Steelers or Ravens pick top 10, but more often than not you end up going to someplace like Miami or the Browns where the world can flip from August to October. 

If you're burrow or herbert or tuas dad, you're thankful a semi stable organization like the Bengals are there instead of someone like the browns. At least here, the guy will get a couple seasons to show he can lead a team, which is 100 times better than rookie ping pong where a team can't decide if it wants to play this year's first rounder, some guy they traded for or the first rounder from two years ago.

Burrow (or whoever) will likely get two seasons to prove himself. If he does and doesnt like the org, he has the freedom to move on in a few years. That beats getting drafted by the browns and benched into obscurity after four games.

I'd say those QB's performance at the end was more indicative of the teams around them than those QB's just falling off, and that's why people question Mike's loyalty to winning. We found solid/good QB's, drafted a few gems, then Mike grew content rather than striking while the iron was hot. When we had good teams in 2005 and 2011-2015, did Mike ever once pull out the wallet in free agency?

I'd say the Browns are really the only team on a similar level as far as bad destinations go, and with them it's more about dysfunction. With us, it's a clear lack of commitment to winning from the front office. The Browns will spend money and make moves...they just don't know what they're doing. The Bengals have an owner who won't spend. Not just on free agency, but also on scouts or a practice facility.

It's a cut rate organization that is also fairly inept themselves (think Mike Brown wanting a d-lineman to fill in at TE) and sometimes that "loyalty" backfires. We're stable, but often stable in mediocrity. We're loyal to players, but often try to keep them when they want out. That has backfired with players like Palmer and McCarron, both of which were upset with the FO. 

Also, at least with the other organizations, there's hope for drastic change. New GM, new coach, who knows how it goes. In Cincy, it will always be about the Brown family. 

On your last point, if Burrow is unhappy with being benched by Browns/Dolphins etc, he can just demand a trade and that team will respond to the request as a normal team would. If he winds up hating the Bengals, what happens with a trade demand? Who knows with Mike Brown. Maybe Mike just squats on his rights.