Does Bernie Know Dems Need A Miracle?

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(02-25-2020, 07:00 PM)hollodero Wrote: In all fairness, the socialism you have in mind is not the socialism Sanders is talking about.

He's argueing for a social democratic system like in European countries. Not for socialism like in the communist countries.

PLEASE do some research before you vote for Bernie and doom us all:

Quote:To the extent that the left wants to point to an example of successful socialism, not just generous welfare states, the Nordic countries are actually a poor case to cite. Regardless of the perception, in reality the Nordic countries practice mostly free market economics paired with high taxes exchanged for generous government entitlement programs.

First, it is worth noting that the Nordic counties were economic successes before they built their welfare states. Those productive economies, generating good incomes for their workers, allowed the governments to raise the tax revenue needed to pay for the social benefits. It was not the government benefits that created wealth, but wealth that allowed the luxury of such generous government programs.

Second, as evidence of the lack of government interference in business affairs, there is the fact that none of these countries have minimum wage laws. Unions are reasonably powerful in many industries and negotiate contracts, but the government does nothing to ensure any particular outcome from those negotiations. Workers are paid what they are worth, not based on government’s perception of what is fair.

A third example of Nordic commitment to free markets can be found in Sweden which has complete school choice. The government provides families with vouchers for each child. These vouchers can be used to attend regular public schools, government-run charter schools, or private, for-profit schools. Clearly, the use of government funds to pay for private, for-profit schools is the opposite of socialism.

(02-25-2020, 08:05 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: Since you have made a distinction between social programs and socialism, can you explain to me how the social programs Bernie Sanders has suggested are socialism and not social programs like you benefit from?

Do you really need a gun to protect yourself from universal healthcare?

How would that work?  You go to the ER. They don’t charge you for the visit. You pull your gun and scream, “F U, you socialist bastids! TAKE MY GOD DAMN ‘MERICAN MONEY!!!!!!! TAKE MY MONEY NOWWWWWWW!”

Is that the type of hell you’re talking about?

Ha.  Take it out of context to act like I need a gun in a hospital.  Typical socialist move.

As far as the first comment, I think you, also, like the hollodero, need to do some research on what socialism actually is.  

Name a new program that Bernie wants and I'll be happy to explain how it's socialism and not just a social program.  

By the way, even it a social program that I benefit from is a form of socialism, that's a HORRIBLE example of why socialism is good considering I don't work because I can't, but you're saying that everyone should get the same benefits as me if they choose not to work.  And my benefits aren't even that great: the healthcare I get isn't that extensive, meaning if everyone were to be on the tab it would be even worse for everyone.