Does Bernie Know Dems Need A Miracle?

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(02-26-2020, 08:37 AM)Belsnickel Wrote: This isn't why I'm not a Sanders supporter, but I have a big problem with his misuse of terms.

That is understandable.

I myself also have a problem with his gross oversimplifications, with him just using the same lines again and again, disregarding any nuance within the debate, with his populist tendencies and last not least with his rather radical and pretty much unfunded proposals. One might think the European is team Bernie all the way, but for me that is not true.

Also, when Cuba is brought up his first words should be that this form of socialism has nothing to do with his ideology. A chance he missed, imho.

(02-26-2020, 11:12 AM)Crazyjdawg Wrote: Am I crazy, or did that article just prove that Sanders isn't a socialist by saying that the system Bernie wants to model America after, Nordic countries, are not, in fact, socialist at all.

Seems like an endorsement for Bernie, if you ask me. That article should have calmed Brad down, not incensed his fears of socialism.

That's pretty much how I read it, though to be fair the author did not intend to calm down Mr. Fritz, but to increase worries by mislabeling Bernie's idea of social democracy with socialism that is not found in those scandinavian countries. Bels is right though that Bernie doesn't really help this case by mislabeling these words himself quite a bit.

And many americans seem to have a deep, instinctive reaction to every proposal or label that carries the word "social" in it. As if that word means soviet tanks will roll through their garden and their playboy collection gets collectivized. Additionally, more and more it seems to me that many americans tend to see things out of a zero sum perspective. If someone is helped, that means someone else suffers, hence every "social" program is unfair to those that don't need it.