Biden/Buttigieg ticket

[Dill]

(03-04-2020, 04:11 PM)hollodero Wrote: All polls put him in a 0-5% range with black voters. It wasn't that hard to see that he will not do good with them. Even if your polls are mind-boggingly wrong at times.
Whether it's really his being gay, I am not so certain. I wouldn't dare to assume that, it seems like a prejudice of homophobia towards blacks. Doesn't mean it's untrue. I just think there are other factors as well, e.g. Pete being young and hence somewhat unreliable, maybe not the right person to take on Trump, a risk. Plus he's little known still and in his home town had some policing issues regarding the black community.

Well there has been a debate about whether it's "racist" to assume greater resistance to gays on the part of black voters.

On the one side: https://news.yahoo.com/sc-buttigieg-faces-black-voters-052426219.html
— South Carolina state Sen. Gerald Malloy is fine with a gay presidential candidate like Pete Buttigieg. His older male relatives are not — and that may be the defining challenge of Buttigieg's campaign.

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/05/15/pete-buttigieg-black-voters-1322396
Joe Darby, a prominent pastor in Charleston, S.C., was discussing the Democratic presidential field with fellow clergymen when Pete Buttigieg’s name came up. A fellow pastor quickly interjected.
“Isn’t that the dude who kissed his husband on TV?” the person asked skeptically, according to Darby.

On the other:  https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/11/08/ugly-lie-about-black-voters-pete-buttigieg/
https://www.advocate.com/commentary/2019/11/04/homophobia-isnt-reason-black-voters-dont-pete-buttigieg
The attempts to even quantify homophobia in Black versus white communities push this narrative of Blacks being generally homophobic and transphobic. In fact, research has shown that resistance to LGBTQ rights from the Black community has decreased.

But apparently his own focus groups found this to be a central issue for black voters in SC
https://www.scribd.com/document/431372932/South-Carolina-Focus-Groups-Findings#from_embed

Benson Strategy Group, which conducted the research, did find that focusing on "faith" appeared to push older women over the hurdle.

Butti's campaign was motivated to focus groups by the extremely low fractions of black support he garnered in national/SC polls compared to other unknown whites, while even candidates like Bloomberg and Trump, who can plausibly be accused of supporting racist policies, did way better.

I tend to go with the former side, in part for the most unscientific of reasons--having met black males (mostly military), recurrently, who went to extra trouble to express their distaste for gays. That stood out to me because it occurred at a time when so many people were becoming ok with gays.

It's all moot now. Butti's endorsement of Biden won't hurt at all.