04-02-2020, 10:54 AM
(04-02-2020, 09:25 AM)SHRacerX Wrote: So, when I asked who had him ranked as a 6th or 7th rounder before the NCG, you were referring to people doing mock drafts, not actual scouts? Ok, there goes that credibility. And yes, I had Phillips in the 3rd round and he could still very well go there. In fact, he is an interesting argument because he is kind of the opposite of Queen where he had another full year of production and was the most productive player on the team in 2019. He is also "very quiet and not a natural leader" while Queen is more vocal and firey. The biggest thing I can say about the two of them other than their personalities is Queen has the better coverage ability and route recognition. He also played better as the season wore on and had his best games against the best competition. Phillips was said to have declined in production as his competition level increased.
Maybe it is a bit of my own personal demons, watching some guys disappear against the steelers. I remember that Reggie Nelson always seemed to have some of his best games against them. WJIII, too. I want players that shine on the biggest stage and play their best in the biggest moments. Queen fits that bill best of what could be available to the Bengals in Rd 2. Having him next to Pratt in Nickel looks very appealing to me.
And btw, Lawrence was sacked by OSU 3 times for 25 yards, so actually by your comparison of his "actual run count" of 8 rushes for 60 yards not being a good job handling him as a rusher, those yards added to his Ohio State game numbers calculates as 13 for 132 yards, or an average of 10.1 yards per carry, while LSU held him to 7.5 ypc. Again, far superior to OSU, who is far from shabby on defense.
Lastly, as far as quitting the "hype man" routine. Please STFU. We are here to debate and discuss players that can improve this team. I think that is Queen. He is a fringe first round talent and we have a real shot of getting him. It is very realistic and not hype at all when you consider where the so-called experts have him projected. If you disagree with that, fine. But that doesn't mean I can't discuss him or project him to the Bengals in Rd 2.
That's a nice try, but we all know that the big boards on the draft sims are based on those sites prospect rankings.
Quit ducking the question. Would you take Phillips at 33? If you thought Queen was better all along, why did you take Phillips instead?
Queen played very well in the CFP. However, he did very little all year up to that point. You have to win a bunch of regular season games to get to that spot. I want guys that thrive under pressure, too, but I want them to be good-great all the time. I don't want guys that are mediocre 13 out of 16 games. Which leads us to another point. Queen wasn't even considered the best LB on his team going into the CFP. In a loaded defense with guys like Stingley, Delpit, etc. how much focus do you really think OU and Clemson put on neutralizing Patrick Queen? Props to him for making plays,but there's no way he was hugely focused on.
8 carries for 60 yards is not shutting the QB down in the run game. Second, trying to attribute it solely to one player like you did is just dumb. Third, Lawrence did not beat a bunch of teams with his legs, as you originally claimed. Fourth, cherry picking one game as an example and then trying to exclude individual plays on top of that goes to show how flimsy your argument is. Fifth, nobody is saying that LSU didn't defend Lawrence better in the run game than OSU. I was illustrating just how much you can manipulate statistics by selectively excluding data like you were. Sixth, if you were a DC and just watched a QB run wild, you would probably focus on it more in your game plan than a team who hadn't seen him do anything remotely close to that all year.
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The "hype man" comment was solely in response to your "All 33 teams..." line. You have no idea what teams' boards look like and where they have him rated. To claim something like that is purely just being a hype man. If you can show me all 32 teams boards and they all have Queen in the 1st/early 2nd range, I'll gladly take it back.
