Bad Boys II

[hollodero]

(06-04-2020, 05:48 PM)Dill Wrote: This is a process.  No one should be thinking there is some one thing to fix a nationwide problem and someone should be out there hawking it now. "Tangible demands" come, as Obama pointed out, from the local level.  But there have to be municipal, state and federal administrations in place which can receive and implement, not block them.

I just think protests do better when they follow a precise common goal, an universal demand, also if there is a face to the protests, a leader if you will.
With all that absent, it is hard to see where this all should lead to.
Which does not contradict your priorities. I guess they make sense.

(06-04-2020, 05:48 PM)Dill Wrote: You are still making too much of the  90% Republicans number, but Republicans are fewer now than in 2012 or 2016. And I remind you, again, that we may leave it to Trump himself to diminish these numbers, a fraction this week (e.g., elderly upset about his coronavirus response), a percentage next (more military members who recognize he does not understand the Constitution).

I feel we have that debate every other month. Trump support seems to be crumbling for years, every time there is this person and that op-ed and this think tank that is critical... yet Trump's aproval does not move, if anything it seemd to grow a little lately. Right now it goes down again, but I have observed enough of this to not believe this will just swing back into the 40%+ range. It always does. And it might just be enough again.
I feel we have to wait and see for the election. I sure hope he's right, I sure hope Trump is done for, but he was done for a hundred times already and there he still is with his 40%.

(06-04-2020, 05:48 PM)Dill Wrote: I don't think your read on Bfine and Lucy is quite right. Bfine will not likely vote for Biden, but I don't think he will vote for Trump either. His defenses of Trump are really more attempts to prevent any cultural or political capital accruing to Democrats.  Other "independents" will do the same.  Not Lucy though. I expect him vote for Trump. (Wish he were still here! His voice enriched the mix.)

I did not mean what they vote for, I mean what kind of republican party is on the negotiationg table. With a "classical" bfine one, there can be concessions, common goals and progress. A "modern day" Lucie one does not provide any of those opportunities.