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Defund the police
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(07-19-2020, 09:11 AM)fredtoast Wrote: Okay.  I'll give you the fact that some people resist.

Now what about all the other cases where police abuse people who do not resist?  Are we supposed to just ignore them?

Maybe this will help you understand the real meaning of a "red herring".  We have a problem with police abusing their power.  Instead of talking about police abusing their power you claim the probelm is that people resist arrest.  That is a classic "red herring".  It is an argument that does not really address the problem of police abusing their power because we have so many examples of police abusing their power against people who do not resist.

No, we absolutely should not ignore.  Abuse of power, specifically by anyone chosen to work for the Government to protect the citizens, is something that cannot be overlooked.  Something needs to be changed, perhaps in the selection process for Law Enforcement personnel?  If the problem is White officers murdering/mistreating minority suspects, perhaps they should have a more diversified police force, specifically in locations where instances happen the most?  Are there any stats on the diversity of police forces in the cities where these events are occurring?  

However, simply choosing to defund, which Joe Biden stated he is in favor of, would put the rest of the law abiding citizens at risk.  At risk for what?  Protecting the rights and lives of a relative few law breakers?  

To second bolded:  How can one determine what the cause of any problem is, without fully looking into all of the factors that may be involved?  While no citizen should be killed or mistreated before they have a chance to be proven guilty in a court of law;  It is also quite relevant to wonder why an innocent person is acting violent or combative toward an officer of the law?  
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Defund the police - GMDino - 07-18-2020, 10:36 AM
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RE: Defund the police - hollodero - 07-18-2020, 01:59 PM
RE: Defund the police - bfine32 - 07-18-2020, 02:39 PM
RE: Defund the police - hollodero - 07-18-2020, 02:43 PM
RE: Defund the police - fredtoast - 07-18-2020, 02:53 PM
RE: Defund the police - bfine32 - 07-18-2020, 03:03 PM
RE: Defund the police - GMDino - 07-18-2020, 04:08 PM
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RE: Defund the police - bfine32 - 07-18-2020, 05:33 PM
RE: Defund the police - SunsetBengal - 07-18-2020, 04:46 PM
RE: Defund the police - GMDino - 07-18-2020, 05:10 PM
RE: Defund the police - SunsetBengal - 07-18-2020, 05:36 PM
RE: Defund the police - bfine32 - 07-18-2020, 05:37 PM
RE: Defund the police - BmorePat87 - 07-18-2020, 09:25 PM
RE: Defund the police - SunsetBengal - 07-18-2020, 09:47 PM
RE: Defund the police - GMDino - 07-19-2020, 12:06 AM
RE: Defund the police - SunsetBengal - 07-19-2020, 12:17 AM
RE: Defund the police - samhain - 07-19-2020, 12:26 AM
RE: Defund the police - fredtoast - 07-19-2020, 09:11 AM
RE: Defund the police - SunsetBengal - 07-19-2020, 09:56 AM
RE: Defund the police - SunsetBengal - 07-18-2020, 12:58 PM
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RE: Defund the police - fredtoast - 07-19-2020, 11:03 AM
RE: Defund the police - bfine32 - 07-19-2020, 11:16 AM
RE: Defund the police - GMDino - 07-19-2020, 10:19 AM
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RE: Defund the police - NATI BENGALS - 07-20-2020, 12:01 AM
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RE: Defund the police - fredtoast - 07-20-2020, 09:06 AM
RE: Defund the police - GMDino - 07-20-2020, 10:27 AM
RE: Defund the police - fredtoast - 07-20-2020, 08:59 AM
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RE: Defund the police - fredtoast - 07-20-2020, 05:37 PM
RE: Defund the police - bfine32 - 07-20-2020, 08:07 PM
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RE: Defund the police - fredtoast - 07-22-2020, 11:17 AM
RE: Defund the police - BmorePat87 - 07-22-2020, 11:34 AM
RE: Defund the police - fredtoast - 07-22-2020, 11:36 AM
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