08-06-2020, 05:11 PM
(08-05-2020, 02:00 AM)jmccracky Wrote: It's not that I disagree with Trump on everything. I have definitely read some things that were ridiculous regarding some of the Trump haters standpoint. But this interview really brought home that he is just not a great leader. He is totally divisive. More than Obama was. Trump is not fit to be president. But then again....here he is being president. I dont agree with the GOP platform, as a whole, and some of the Dem platform. I've voted Dem and Repub since 1994 since I was old enough to vote. I want a uniter....not a divider. Yes.....the media is bad at dividing us. I just can't vote for a guy like Trump that purposely tries to divide us. I dunno....my food for thought.
The interview is a train wreck. Here's the thing though, I can absolutely see why you, or someone else, would not vote for Trump. What I do find strange is people who can't imagine why anyone would. It's patently obvious.
(08-05-2020, 07:13 AM)hollodero Wrote: ad1, likewise, ad 2, I personally could never vote for a person like Trump, never have I felt that strongly about my agenda that I could overloook that. I'd vote for a conservative candidate any day if my alternative was some progressive version of Trump. It's easier for me to say when it's the other way round for sure, but this person... I could never overlook all that. And it IS important what person is on the ticket.
My agenda might just be that I want a competent and intelligent person running things, one that accepts norms and democracy and decency and everything that makes the western model work, and to try to avoid a descent into ridiculousness, utter ineptness and a hate-filled idiocracy. Which, imho, is what Trump provides. More conservative judges etc. won't heal that.
I know America is a different cup of thea than what I personally experienced, I am not shocked that someone would vote for Trump, but it doesn't go as far as that this has my complete and total understanding.
You can understand why someone does something and still think they're totally wrong. I'm more referring to those who think our only salvation is a Democratic House, Senate and White House. I'd take four more years of Trump and a divided Congress over that any day of the week. I've seen first hand just how crazy and nonsensical "progressive" politics is, and it's borderline terrifying.
(08-05-2020, 07:20 AM)Belsnickel Wrote: I'm going to have to disagree with you, here. This may get the thread off track, and for that I apologize, but the Never Trumper Republicans that emerged in 2016 and the Lincoln Project that is currently putting some serious effort behind getting Trump out of office show that your claim isn't entirely accurate. These are people that are hard core Republicans and support the policies of the GOP. It's something I remind some local liberals about, regularly, when they are cheering them on.
This actually supports my claim that Trumpism is centered around Trump. Once he is gone I expect a return to the standard GOP template.
(08-05-2020, 09:51 AM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: I don't find it shocking Republicans would support a faux Republican. I find their reasons shocking. For example, a Trump supporter telling me he doesn't like Fauci because Fauci lies and he doesn't like people who lie or being lied to. (Wait. What? Trump is the most prolific liar I've ever seen.) Or Christians that support Trump because sometimes God uses bad people to do good things. (Yeah, like how God uses Satan to pack 'em in the pews.)
Eh, that's one reason out of hundreds, and not a huge one at that. There are numerous things a conservative leaning voter is going to get out of Trump that they have zero chance of getting from Biden.
(08-05-2020, 10:44 AM)Benton Wrote: I'm not so sure.
If it was an unlikable party line guy, I would agree with you 100%. But Trump isn't that. He only slightest less opposed to Republicans than he is to Democrats. The only thing he's supportive of is yes-men. In my opinion (and that's all it is), there are a lot of "real" Republicans who won't support a guy who, really, doesn't support them. He can call himself a Republican all he wants, but outside of advocating for less taxation for the upper class, there are few areas where he aligns with the party.
Trump's biggest ally in the last election wasn't Republicans, it was fringe voters who hoped he would support their causes.
I agree, which further supports my claim that Trumpism is a symptom of Trump and not a shift in GOP priorities.
