Challenge to Milley and Esper--Do Your Duty

[Dill]

(08-17-2020, 12:56 AM)Benton Wrote: Trump didn't exactly break new ground to the bolded. 

As to the questions, yeah, that's par for the GOP course. They rally the base saying 1- the Dems are coming for their guns but they'll save them; 2- they (the GOP) will end abortion; 3- they (the GOP) will lower everybody's taxes); 4- they (the GOP) would've done 1-3 last time they were thwarted by the deep state government.

So they get control of at least one side and the POTUS, don't do 1-3 and lose to Democrats. Then everything goes back to "normal" for 4-8 years and then they do the 1-4 rally again.

We're at the stage where the GOP has paid back their donors at the cost and ire of voters, and will likely be moving back out of majority.  And the core supporters will say it wasn't because the majority of Americans realized they got screwed again (and, really, they're gonna get screwed by the Dems, just in a different way) but because of the deep state government. Why? Because that's easier than accepting they were wrong and got used... again.

And until there's a third party, it's going to ping pong between one side using people and the other side using another group of people, with both sets of people falling for something so they don't have to accept the reality that they were really no options.

Concise analysis. I understand your position much better from this.  I think this "cycle" was valid until Trump. And I think you are right that they will be no self recognition the base was fooled. . . again.

But I suspect Trump may have broken the cycle, in part because it was already spiraling out of control. I don't think the "deep state" played as strong a role in it during previous elections, when the Republican establishment was still seen as "anti-government" and fighting the deep state.  Now they are not seen that way by Trump's base.

More importantly, the "deep state" has become a much larger, more intricate, malevolent and "guided" entity, with faces and names, than it was in the past--one specifically targeting Trump, who is its greatest enemy. It has organized an ongoing coup against their man. And the evidence is plainly there for them, every time his abuse of power activates what looks to everyone else like a valid constitutional check.

PS I don't think voters are gonna get screwed by the Dems in a different way if they come back into power. E.g., I think Dems have worked pretty hard at trying to create a better health care system. They'll continue to do that. They actually want to govern; the parties are not somehow equal in that respect. They may govern badly and disappoint that way. But they don't just want to cut taxes and break things.