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(08-31-2020, 07:13 PM)Whatever Wrote: What are they considering a "broken tackle?"  Last year, Fournette was third in the league per Pro Football Reference in Yards After Contact with 792.  Mixon had 645 by comparison.  Fournette was also tied for 3rd best YAC/Carry at 3.0. Joe had 2.3 by comparison. Plus, he was still tied for 17th in Broken Tackles, so not bad, just not excellent.

I don't think the guy is Christian McCafferty or anything, but he's been a 1000 yard back behind an OL worse than ours 2 out of the last 3 years and he missed half a year.  That's way better than journeymen like Carlos Hyde who has 1 1,000 yard season in 6 years.  He's definitely a cut above the guys who are currently available.

I am just using Pro Football Reference's advanced stats to determine broken tackles. Hence why the numbers are only for the last two years (when they started tracking it).

Counting straight broken tackles and saying he's 17th is pointless. Same reason why straight YAC isn't great either. Getting a ton of opportunities doesn't mean you're doing a good job with those opportunities. It's the same reason why as long as they both have a decent amount of carries, YPC is a far better indicator of quality than total rushing yards.

Jerome Bettis 1999: 299 rushes/1,091 yards (3.6 YPC)
Nick Chubb 2018: 192 rushes/996 yards (5.2 YPC)

The rates almost always give a better picture than the total counting stats (so long as you're keeping to a minimum to filter out the real small sample sizes).

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The YAC/Carry is a good stat, though. It does means while he doesn't break many tackles, at least he makes it hurt when he does.

I firmly disagree that his OL has been worse than the Bengals over the last 3 years. I refuse to believe that anyone's OL has been worse than the Bengals over the last 3 years.

If you put any stock in PFF grades, this is from 2019....

Bengals OL, min 33% offensive snaps:
Hopkins (62.4)
Hart (57.6)
Miller (58.6)
Jordan (43.7)
Jerry (55.6)
Price (41.9)

Jaguars OL, min 33% offensive snaps:
J Taylor (63.7)
Norwell (65.5)
Linder (75.3)
Robinson (54.8)
Cann (55.3)
Richardson (43.0)

Neither are particularly good, but the Jags are still much better. At least they had 3 starting quality OL including one good one. The Bengals had 1. The Bengals best OL last year was still worse than three of the Jag's OL. That's pretty bad.

I'm all on board that Fournette didn't have a ton of surrounding talent in the skill department. Never disputed that, but to say he's had a worse OL than the Bengals for the last 3 years is something that simply can't be said.
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1st Waiver add Position - Luvnit2 - 08-31-2020, 11:14 AM
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