09-16-2020, 02:26 PM
(09-16-2020, 12:47 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: It may not be popular, but my opinion is 1+1=3. Just my opinion. Don’t have any evidence to back it up. Don’t hammer me on it. I’m just being honest.
Opinions aren’t created equal. There are informed opinions. There are uninformed opinions.
You already question the numbers, even suggesting hospitals are committing insurance fraud. Do the numbers even matter?
With all due respect, this pandemic is due to a novel virus which means every human is susceptible or at risk of becoming infected. Unless they have already been infected and developed immunity. Immunity which has yet to be determined if it is transient or permanent.
Then there is the population at increased risk for death
You’re wrong. Not an opinion. It’s a fact.
As Matt has already pointed out, this isn’t how it is calculated. Again, there are informed opinions and then there are uninformed opinions and the two aren’t equal.
How did those nursing homes get infected if they’re isolated from the general population?
Again, not even how this is calculated. If this was Thanksgiving, you would be sent back to the kids table.
I put the statistic in the original Covid thread which has been archived, but something like 60% of the nation across all age groups has at least one comorbidity placing them at increased risks of death due to infection from Covid 19 to include kids and young adults. I’m not looking it up, but that’s where you can find it to check my memory.
Not a single one of your calculations are correct. Now you have proven you have an informed opinion based upon misinformation. If your opinion is based upon misinformation then it is invalid.
Again, it’s a novel virus that no one has immunity to and 60% of the nation has at least one comorbidity placing them at increased risk of death due to Covid 19. These are facts, not opinion.
That’s known cases. What about the unknown cases due to a lack of testing? What about the CDC changing the testing protocol as recently as this month to further reduce testing for political purposes?
Everyone of your numbers is wrong. Every. Single. One.
It would be like me giving one of your kids liver or kidney failure because I calculated the dose of their medicine incorrectly.
I respect your right to voice your opinion. But, let’s not confuse that with respect for the actual opinion based upon misinformation and faulty calculations giving erroneous results which ultimately = BS.
And you can’t make public health decisions based upon BS when “death is on the line.”
I appreciate your response and read the whole thing. I don't have time to go point by point.
One thing I will comment on is the nursing home deaths. You asked how those nursing homes got infected if they were isolated? You are apparently not familiar with our awesome Governor Cuomo, plus multiple other states who FORCED nursing homes to bring back Covid positive patients. And at least in NY, Trump brought a Naval ship in and constructed extra beds when we thought the Hospitals were going to get overwhelmed and instead of using those resources for the infected nursing home patients that were infected, Cuomo made the nursing homes take back the infected patients. Cuomo even praised Trump early on for everything he did for NY.
Lets assume all my numbers are wrong.
Can we at least agree there are approx 325,000,000 people in the US, there are as of today 6.61M cases and 197,00 deaths over a 7 month period?
And can we agree that 40+% of all Covid deaths are from nursing homes?
And can we also agree the high risk population is Elderly, Elderly with comorbitities and anyone with comorbitities?
If we can agree on those readily available facts, how can you look at those numbers and think we should be locked down (causing huge problems, maybe worse than Covid itself), destroying our economy, canceling sports for kids, destroying peoples livelihoods and keeping kids out of school?
I'm sorry, that is completely irrational to me. Open fully, wear a mask if it makes you feel better and get on with life. Not directed at you personally.
EDIT**** I will add this, if 60% of all people have comorbitities and are truly at risk, then why is such a small amount of people effected out of the 6.61M? Once you subtract elderly and elderly with comorbitities I believe you at far less than 100,000. Again, showing the risk is minimal, especially when compared to the entire population of 325,000,000.
