Why does he refuse to condemn them?

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(09-30-2020, 01:40 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: I take issue with characterizing that as whataboutism as I directed him back to the topic: white supremacists. He brought up left wing violence as an excuse to not condemn right wing violence. I do not think that what he did was whataboutism either, though I made it clear I disagreed with it being used as an excuse to not condemn white supremacists.

You know what, that's fair.  I don't think anyone here disagrees with condemning white supremacists, or race based hatred from any group.

Quote:I think pointing to non ideological crime may fall under the same category but I think going down that road gets away from the topic at hand.

Also fair.  My biggest issue with the "biggest domestic terrorist threat" point, and this occurs here and many other places, is the, IMO often deliberate, mischaracterization of what the report actually states.  I won't go into that further as I explained my position above.

Quote:To your comment at the end, I agree but I also think it doesn't get thrown around enough regarding some groups. Proud Boys isn't a white supremacist group, they're certainly a western nationalist group though. That said, they have a lot of ties and crossover with actual supremacist groups, and we shouldn't discount the role that the ideology plays in that community as a whole. A lot of dishonesty went into trying to characterize the Unite the Right rally as not being a White supremacist event, which it absolutely was. 

That's an interesting counter point.  I will agree that there are some groups that deserve it that don't receive the label.  I also think it's quickly slapped on groups that are just patriotic or pro western culture.  This is the main reason why I put no stock in the opinions or pronouncements of the SPLC or ADF, they are very quick to label ideological opponents as racist.  Not only does it dilute the impact of the accusation, it actually harms the credibility of the one making it, making future, accurate accusations, less impactful or not impactful at all.