10-23-2020, 02:12 PM
I find it interesting how Trump seems to get bonus points for not quite behaving like in the first debate. Oh, he's so restrained, good for him...
...well ok, but he still said many outrageous things, made wild claims and lied a lot.
The Covid excess mortaility rate is not "way down" or "lower than almost any other country". There is not a vaccine "within weeks", no one, not even his own officials say nothing even remotely close to that timeline. I'm pretty sure that he does not recieve congratulations from many heads of other countries. The US is not "rounding a corner", the numbers rise, and they rise fast. The recovery rate is not 99%. Now while I expect the occasional spin or lie in such debates, this is about a potentially life and death matter and I find this downplaying and these lies unbearably irresponsible.
He also blatantly misrepresented Fauci's stances and falsely called him a Democrat. Covid's also not generally harmless for children, no matter what his own son went through or didn't went through.
He also made completely baseless accusations against Joe Biden, like that he personally took 3.5 million Dollars from Russia or that he is the "big man" that got 10% of whatever (I couldn't even follow that), or that his family gets ten million dollars a year for introductions. That his own tax returns are under audit for over four years now is incredibly incredible. As is that he had prepaid millons of dollars in taxes and no one had told him that before. Mueller did not go through Trump's tax records and did in no way state there was "nothing wrong". And his China account was not on public record, nor was it closed in 2015.
The farmer subsidies are not paid for by China. Also, no intelligence suggests Russia wants Trump to lose and actively works towards that for he was so tough on them.
When asked anything about healthcare, he only has "I repealed the individual mandate" to say. There is no plan, no idea, no nothing, only wild promises that all kinds of preexisting conditions are protected and that his "beautiful" health care is going to be great and cost way less, same thing he promised four years back without anything substantial behind it. Also Biden is not for terminating 180 million plans and socialized medicine, and a public option is not akin to terminating Medicare and destroying social security.
The children in detention centers have not been brought by coyotes, but were with their parents before getting separated. And responding how he will find the lost parents of over 500 chiildren with pointing out how nice the facilities where they have to stay are is, well, pretty disgusting. And blaming Biden for the separation policy he enforced and the cages his administration put people in is disingenuous at best. Also, not less than 1% show up to their hearing after catch and release, and no known murderers etc. get released. Trump even claimed that only those with the lowest IQ's would show up to their hearing. Welp.
Biden never called the black community "superpredators". That Trump calls himself the least racist person in the room and that he did more for the black community than any other president except maybe Lincoln is just ridiculous.
Also, the climate accord did not demand the US to pay trillions of dollars. The wild number aside, there was no mandate to spend anything really. Windmills do not kill "all the birds". Estimates are it might be up to 300.000 birds a year. In comparison, estimates are that cats alone kill over a billion birds a year. Biden's climate change plan does not cost 100 trillion dollars and was not written by "no idea about the climate" AOC. The idea that Biden wants to tear down the houses and rebuild them with "tiny windows" is laughably absurd.
Overall - still pretty embarrassing to watch, to be blunt embarrassing for the US really. A little less embarrassing than the first desaster of a debate maybe, but still, pretty bad. Also disclaimer, I am well aware that not everything Biden said passes the fact checks too, and I do have some issue with that (I do not mention them and I did not mention many additional falsehoods from Trump either). But what Trump creates there is a whole other dimension.
...well ok, but he still said many outrageous things, made wild claims and lied a lot.
The Covid excess mortaility rate is not "way down" or "lower than almost any other country". There is not a vaccine "within weeks", no one, not even his own officials say nothing even remotely close to that timeline. I'm pretty sure that he does not recieve congratulations from many heads of other countries. The US is not "rounding a corner", the numbers rise, and they rise fast. The recovery rate is not 99%. Now while I expect the occasional spin or lie in such debates, this is about a potentially life and death matter and I find this downplaying and these lies unbearably irresponsible.
He also blatantly misrepresented Fauci's stances and falsely called him a Democrat. Covid's also not generally harmless for children, no matter what his own son went through or didn't went through.
He also made completely baseless accusations against Joe Biden, like that he personally took 3.5 million Dollars from Russia or that he is the "big man" that got 10% of whatever (I couldn't even follow that), or that his family gets ten million dollars a year for introductions. That his own tax returns are under audit for over four years now is incredibly incredible. As is that he had prepaid millons of dollars in taxes and no one had told him that before. Mueller did not go through Trump's tax records and did in no way state there was "nothing wrong". And his China account was not on public record, nor was it closed in 2015.
The farmer subsidies are not paid for by China. Also, no intelligence suggests Russia wants Trump to lose and actively works towards that for he was so tough on them.
When asked anything about healthcare, he only has "I repealed the individual mandate" to say. There is no plan, no idea, no nothing, only wild promises that all kinds of preexisting conditions are protected and that his "beautiful" health care is going to be great and cost way less, same thing he promised four years back without anything substantial behind it. Also Biden is not for terminating 180 million plans and socialized medicine, and a public option is not akin to terminating Medicare and destroying social security.
The children in detention centers have not been brought by coyotes, but were with their parents before getting separated. And responding how he will find the lost parents of over 500 chiildren with pointing out how nice the facilities where they have to stay are is, well, pretty disgusting. And blaming Biden for the separation policy he enforced and the cages his administration put people in is disingenuous at best. Also, not less than 1% show up to their hearing after catch and release, and no known murderers etc. get released. Trump even claimed that only those with the lowest IQ's would show up to their hearing. Welp.
Biden never called the black community "superpredators". That Trump calls himself the least racist person in the room and that he did more for the black community than any other president except maybe Lincoln is just ridiculous.
Also, the climate accord did not demand the US to pay trillions of dollars. The wild number aside, there was no mandate to spend anything really. Windmills do not kill "all the birds". Estimates are it might be up to 300.000 birds a year. In comparison, estimates are that cats alone kill over a billion birds a year. Biden's climate change plan does not cost 100 trillion dollars and was not written by "no idea about the climate" AOC. The idea that Biden wants to tear down the houses and rebuild them with "tiny windows" is laughably absurd.
Overall - still pretty embarrassing to watch, to be blunt embarrassing for the US really. A little less embarrassing than the first desaster of a debate maybe, but still, pretty bad. Also disclaimer, I am well aware that not everything Biden said passes the fact checks too, and I do have some issue with that (I do not mention them and I did not mention many additional falsehoods from Trump either). But what Trump creates there is a whole other dimension.
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