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Carlos back to whining
(10-25-2020, 01:05 PM)reuben.ahmed Wrote: Doc Rivers said there is no motivational speech he can give his team, it's all smoke and mirrors and for movies. He had a compelling argument, but see where it landed him shortly thereafter. His team also performed incredibly poorly after being up 21 in several games and up 3-1 in the series. He let a 20 point lead dissipate without calling a timeout, IIRC they were losing by 7 points before he actually called a timeout.

I'm thinking very few players are like Jordan and probably Burrow, who are self-motivated by something other than money. How many players on our team are just happy they're being paid and aren't affected that much by us losing?

Doc's argument is it doesn't last very long, about 1 minute or less. He forgot that it needs to be done sometimes then, apparently trying to teach his team a lesson to turn games around with him, lol - one of his sole duties.

Our team still looks like the team of old, a team that doesn't adjust fast enough or at all and relies on talent. We should be adjusting drive to drive. Mixon up the middle isn't working, let's do it 15 more times.

I said it with marvin and with andy, how many teams out there want this "player" or "coach" on their team in the same position? If it's nobody, why are they on our team, lol. Andy may struggle hard in DAL, but he's not even in the same position, he's not a starter. Is Zac a HC on another team? Maybe, because he still hasn't racked enough horrible history to write him off to some, and some team will say "he was in cincy" as their excuse to try. I wonder if we can say if more than half the other teams want this player, he's someone we should try hard to keep.

We'll look back at this year and say we only lost X games by Y points, that's the HC's fault, isn't it? We have to win close games not lose them and it doesn't take much. If we lose every close game, or the majority of them, does it mean anything at all towards his job performance? lol.

Leader takes the fall sometimes.

I'll agree with you except your last paragraph. It DOES take alot to win close games. It's all about buying in, being on the same page and a culture. That ain't easy to do and certainly not with 53 guys with different personalities, motivations, etc. etc. People think it's just this play/ that play but it's not. The worst "feel good" stats in all of sports are baseball teams who "just lose by a run" or football teams that lose 6-7 games a year "by less than that 6 points". The worst teams and organizations in all of sports can keep games close. The Bengals of the 90's had so many leads on good teams with 6-7 minutes to go in a game and then they would kill themselves with a bad punt, penalties, a TO and then it's the proverbial "here we go again".

What is the C or G thinking about on a crucial 2nd and 3 only to flinch? What is the 3rd WR on the field doing and why is he late getting a helmet on a defender when they're lined up in a bunch formation or on a slip screen? Why is the nickel back late getting to his spot before the snap? Why is the FS and CB jawing at each other after a RB catches a ball in the flat that goes for 20 yards.

Is it teaching, is it coaching, is it drafting players with low IQ's or low football IQ's, is it drafting platers who have never played in big games, drafting players with red flags, etc.
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Carlos back to whining - pally - 10-24-2020, 10:34 AM
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