Out of All the Irresponsible Actions...

[Dill]

(11-10-2020, 02:29 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: You don't start off too strong here.  Trump never banned Muslims (this is an obvious sore spot for you btw).  Also, and this does not help your argument, you throw a lot at the wall here, perhaps hoping some of it will stick.  You also assume these specific reasons resulted in people voting for Trump, which is not a fact in evidence, but apparently presented to bolster your position.

This is an incredibly strong statement. Do you you have any proof of this?  Given your dislike for absolute statements about muslims this statement about evangelicals comes off as strongly hypocritial.

Again, much of this argument strikes me as hyperbolic in the extreme, perhaps designed to shock the reader into acceptance.  I'd very much like to see any solid evidence that backs it up.

You once again combine multiple concerns under one umbrella, as if they were inseparable.  This does not lend your argument any credibility, in fact it does the opposite.

I am going to spread my response across two posts. The responses above are to my representation of Trump supporters as diverse. I had assumed these points were relatively uncontroversial--there are Trump supporters who like his tax relief, Evangelicals who see him as the Lord's instrument to reshape America, Alt Righters, people who live from coal and fracking. None of these groups is mutually exclusive,  and I could have added a few more. But were all collected to make the point that people did not vote for Trump for one reason; they are not presented as "inseparable."  (Another place I have noted the diversity of Trump's base, including the Evangelical component http://thebengalsboard.com/Thread-Does-Trump-inspire-hate-from-his-followers?pid=812742&highlight=evangelical#pid812742)

I am aware that Trump's Muslim ban was unsuccessful, but I mention here because it, like the wall, drew him immediate support. It is a "sore spot" for me because of its dehumanizing intent. Just as an attempt to "ban Jews" would be a sore point.


You have reacted most strongly to my characterization of Evangelical support. I don't know what you mean by calling it "absolutist" or how you can possibly discern something "hypocritical" here. It's not like I was calling for an Evangelical ban after criticizing Trump for a Muslim ban. My description is empirical, based on polls, like this Pew poll from July, which states that 82% of white evangelicals say they would vote for Trump if the election were "held today." That has been fairly steady for years.
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/07/01/white-evangelical-approval-of-trump-slips-but-eight-in-ten-say-they-would-vote-for-him/ 
This Evangelical support has held fairly consistently over the last four years.

And and my description is based upon statements by Evangelicals about Trump, and the public discussion about his role as "chosen one."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/religion/2019/11/25/rick-perry-under-scrutiny-his-ukraine-trip-says-trump-is-gods-chosen-one/
https://www.foxnews.com/us/trump-2020-university-church-god
https://newrepublic.com/article/154763/familys-big-secret-hiding-plain-sight
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/11/25/why-evangelicals-like-rick-perry-believe-that-trump-is-gods-chosen-one/
https://www.press-citizen.com/story/opinion/contributors/writers-group/2020/06/01/trump-chosen-one-part-broader-coalition-determined-remake-america/5306705002/
https://www.salon.com/2020/10/18/fulfillment-of-prophecy-yes-some-evangelicals-really-do-believe-trump-is-the-chosen-one/

Evangelical leaders like Lance Wallnau and Jonathan Cahn predicted Trump's divinely guided election in 2016, as did Trump's current White House spiritual adviser Paula White, who saw angels from Africa coming to save Trump.  
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WgM3N6FmuA. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gueefpHqcNw. 
White is the legendary Evangelist who guided Trump to Evangelical Christianity and organizes mass prayer for him

I have discussed the Evangelical stance towards Trump in man, and the clash between "man's law vs God's law" before here, in post #8.

http://thebengalsboard.com/Thread-Trump-shares-video-of-great-people-yelling-white-power-at-pro-Trump-parade?pid=879884&highlight=evangelical#pid879884 
And I started a thread on splits from Trump in the Evangelical movement.
http://thebengalsboard.com/Thread-Evangelical-Support-for-Trump-Eroding?pid=610100&highlight=evangelical#pid610100
check  post # 59
http://thebengalsboard.com/Thread-Evangelical-Support-for-Trump-Eroding?pid=610546&highlight=evangelical#pid610546
and # 77  
http://thebengalsboard.com/Thread-Evangelical-Support-for-Trump-Eroding?pid=610913&highlight=evangelical#pid610913